Found this earlier, thought it was interesting.
Sajid Javid 'taking UK down dangerous road' by expanding citizenship stripping
Sajid Javid 'taking UK down dangerous road' by expanding citizenship stripping
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
And she's a bit of a religious fash.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Wouldn’t hold your breath on that steps.
I’d add to your list an end to the prosecution of socialists and trade unionist anti fascist YPK fighters. I won’t be holding my breath either.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No sympathy from me for this Begum character. I'd have been happy with her either being left to rot in that camp, or facing trial should she have somehow made it back here. But this decision to strip her of British citizenship strikes me as a particularly slimy bit of dangerous opportunism by that greasy pole-climbing Javid cunt.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
By the way, Abs; Kris says that she doesn't know you and has never heard of you; but from your posts to me here, she thinks you're a "fucking twat" (her words, not mine)
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think the most important question is this: If Ms Begum gets out of the refugee camp then to the UK, Holland or Bangladesh and then decided she wants to visit the USA, would she start a new thread on Urban asking if anyone could advise on getting an American visa?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's all down to misogyny and racism.
Nothing else going on here. Oh no!
Not you too now? This thread has had enough simplistic misrepresentation of other people's views, don't you think?
If it is correct that the govt is trying to deny her citizenship on the basis that her mother is Bangladeshi and Bangladesh has a system in place that defaults citizenship rights to her from that without her or her parents having done anything active to get her Bangladeshi citizenship, then that's a fucking disgrace. It's a disgraceful thing to even think of doing on all kinds of levels.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I think it is just a photo of the wrong provision. There's also a law allowing removal of citizenship for born citizens.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Possibly, but that was started by weepiper, ably supported by abstract1 with a side-dish of insightful analysis (since debunked) of my marriage/wife!
Given your position throughout the debate, I understand why you think this. I disagree. She's not being made stateless by the letter of the law (I've only read this thread and some Twitter stuff tonight, so reserve the right to revise my opinion).
She's keen for her kid to grow up in the UK. A country she quite clearly still reviles. Let's go get the baby (send in the Marines!!!) and let our social services decide what is in his best interest.
Leave her there.
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maomao
普費斯
She's not being left anywhere. Refugee camps aren't permanent settlements. She will be repatriated somewhere and we've said fuck off you're not our problem because you're brown. Racism doesn't suddenly become okay because you're doing it to a shitty person. It also sends a message to an entire generation of British Asians that we don't really believe they're British.
Stuck her in fucking Bellmarsh if you want. Bring back hanging just for her if that gets you off, I don't particularly give a fuck (though tbh I find it all makes me more depressed than angry). But the focus on one teenage girl out of dozens of British ISIS combatants reeks of sexism and the decision to say she's not British anymore because she's from an immigrant family is straight up racist.
As an aside I was trying to think of violent criminals who have been repatriated to the UK but Google struggles with prepositions and all I get is extradition cases. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Leslie Grantham who a) is a bit of a crap example and b) was subject to laws regarding British soldiers. Anyone got a better example?
Yossarian
⏭️
Does Gary Glitter count?
maomao
普費斯
Bit better than my dirty Den example but there must be a naughtier one.
abstract1
shitting miracles
Athos
Well-Known Member
Whilst I have very limited sympathy for Begum, the suspicion that the Home Secretary is misusing such powers is a concern, partly because of the dangers to all of us of a 'contractualist' or 'privilege' conception of citizenship and the practical challenges to anyone affected achieving an effective remedy, but particularly if he's doing so on racist or sexist grounds.
And, whilst I wouldn't rush to rule out that possibility (knowing how UK society works, and knowing Javid is an unprincipled political opportunist) I think - in light of the facts that: there's hundreds of thousands of "brown" women who haven't been stripped of their UK citizenship; the power had been used overwhelmingly against men; and, it has been used against at least one white person (Anna Chapman) - it'd be hard to make such a charge stick without some examples of the Home Secretary deciding not to do so in comparable cases involving white men.
I'm not aware of any, but would be very interested to hear them. (The Grantham case being a very poor example, since he's not a dual citizen.)
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andysays
Love and solidarity
That's not what you previously said though
It's all down to misogyny and racism.
Nothing else going on here. Oh no!
Why not think of these things as complex and multifactorial? Move the lens about a bit, it doesn't have to get stuck. I work with very troubled and sometimes very disturbed young people, I have an interest in that, it doesn't make my views unpolitical or invalid in a politics thread, even if there are posters like butchersapron who are exceptionally aware of the politics of Syria who are able to bring a much deeper and wider political perspective to it. You can narrow the lens, and widen it again. I don't get this either or way or thinking.
maomao
普費斯
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Search for repatriated to the UK as a phrase
Oh, and refugee camps aren't intended as permanent settlements. But many of them have become permanent. Like in Pakistan. Like in countries around the zionist entity.
E2A your point about the message it sends to British Asians, I saw someone say the other day going down this path would radicalise more people. People who've gone to join daesh will see this and be riled. People who weren't pissed off will be riled. It's the stupidest thing that could be done so it's no surprise they've done it
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Athos
Well-Known Member
How do you know Begum's not a dual citizen? (I genuinely don't know, but, presumably the Home Secretary thinks there's an arguable case she is.)
maomao
普費斯
From the papers. We'll see.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Whilst I couldn’t really care if the Kurds shoot her or the Yazidis tear her limb from limb, this does sound rather dodge if she was born in the UK. Not least that her baby was born to a British citizen, (and if she was born in the UK it would seem that the baby has no right to Bangladeshi citizenship), so would be ripe for a challenge under the right to family life.
On a plus side, it seems the Home Sec now has the power to remove Spymaster to India or Ireland for starting that thread with his skidmarked skuds in it.
On a plus side, it seems the Home Sec now has the power to remove Spymaster to India or Ireland for starting that thread with his skidmarked skuds in it.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Which papers? How do they know?
maomao
普費斯
My concern is more that it (along with many other factors) increases segregation and apeeration between communities that should have shared than it directly encourages people to become active terrorists. Though a bit of that too. She didn't join Daeah in a vacuum. Doesn't make her innocent but British society isn't innocent either.
maomao
普費斯
See my second sentence.
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