Treacle Toes
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What does he do to further his career? What are his aspirations? Who's interests do his actions and values serve?
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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What does he do to further his career? What are his aspirations? Who's interests do his actions and values serve?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He was born in Rochdale. That's total bollocks anyway, but total bollocks that is totally irrelevant here.
maomao
普費斯
What's his adopted country?
Treacle Toes
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Adopted? He was born here. What makes you say he 'adopted' it?
Oh yeah...his 'tinged skin' at it again...trumps all.
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Not a dual citizen according to this report.
Shamima Begum: Isis Briton faces move to revoke citizenship
Shamima Begum: Isis Briton faces move to revoke citizenship
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Books, not bombs
Just saw that, she has dual citizenship with Bangladesh!
BBC News - Shamima Begum: IS teenager to lose UK citizenship
IS teenager to lose UK citizenship
BBC News - Shamima Begum: IS teenager to lose UK citizenship
IS teenager to lose UK citizenship
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fucking hell. That is an utterly fucking despicable thing to try to do.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
I wanna compare the Shamima Begum case to that of Jaggi Singh Johal but that means implying that the UK government treats minority ethnic people with contempt....
Nah, revoking Begums citizenship will have empowered the far right even more then the already were. If I wasn't in Facebooks naughty corner, I bet I could go see the Tommy Robinson fanboys tossing one off in a triumphant fizzpop of gammony triumph.
(sorry for the slightly incoherent rant there. I'm somewhat wired from energy drinks and stress.
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Nah, revoking Begums citizenship will have empowered the far right even more then the already were. If I wasn't in Facebooks naughty corner, I bet I could go see the Tommy Robinson fanboys tossing one off in a triumphant fizzpop of gammony triumph.
(sorry for the slightly incoherent rant there. I'm somewhat wired from energy drinks and stress.
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Treacle Toes
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It's not about being British, it's about his conservatism/classism and yes, unfortunately the racism which is inherent in those values, aspiration and pursuit of them.
Theisticle
Well-Known Member
The Home Office deported some of the Windrush generation on the false pretence that they were criminals. The weaponisation of their powers is a creeping concern.
Treacle Toes
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I disagree. I think you need to make up your mind. I find it strange that you insist that 'aspiration' is something that all immigrants to Britain have as if it's their own making/undoing but isn't linked to classism and the racism that history has proved to be inherent in those values. You also insist he is simply being a loyal Brit. Perhaps you could expand on why you think that?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Backpedal!!!
All this post tells me really is that you see his skin colour and name first.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Much as I couldn't give a fuck about this individual, this move by the government sets a very bad precedent.
Treacle Toes
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His funny tinge.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Javid isn't being racist, classist (?) or serving the interest of capital, he is just being a good old fashioned honest to goodness twat, he has ambitions and appearing tough on terrorism appeals to the sort of
people who can help him achieve those ambitions. Don't assign him any motives other than self-interest.
I have no sympathy for this girl who is in this mess entirely of her own making but come on "She's a Threat To National Safety?" What is she an ISIS bride or one of the X-Men? Do you get superpowers along with your ISIS membership card?
Bring her (and the other wasters with her) back here, big (but fair) show trials all round as a warning to others, good long stretch of bird sewing mailbags and on the cops radar till she's an old woman.
But Javid is being stupid, the full might of the UK against a scared and stupid teenage girl and her baby (especially since a lot of the more dangerous ones will come back here cos he can't palm them off on someone else) Does he not think this is likely to make people sorry for her (and she doesn't deserve people being sorry for her) Lock her up here and a year from now no-one will remember her name, the self-serving idiot is going to make her a martyr at this rate.
people who can help him achieve those ambitions. Don't assign him any motives other than self-interest.
I have no sympathy for this girl who is in this mess entirely of her own making but come on "She's a Threat To National Safety?" What is she an ISIS bride or one of the X-Men? Do you get superpowers along with your ISIS membership card?
Bring her (and the other wasters with her) back here, big (but fair) show trials all round as a warning to others, good long stretch of bird sewing mailbags and on the cops radar till she's an old woman.
But Javid is being stupid, the full might of the UK against a scared and stupid teenage girl and her baby (especially since a lot of the more dangerous ones will come back here cos he can't palm them off on someone else) Does he not think this is likely to make people sorry for her (and she doesn't deserve people being sorry for her) Lock her up here and a year from now no-one will remember her name, the self-serving idiot is going to make her a martyr at this rate.
You tell me that you can't challenge the point that many immigrants are more loyal to a country they struggled to adopt than a privileged person that has always taken it for granted
Treacle Toes
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No I am saying that being an immigrant doesn't stop someone holding the kinds of conservative and classist values/ideals that replicate racism.
Being an immigrant isn't the point you see. Nor is being the child of an immigrant.
Now, can you say what being loyal to Britain means and why you think SJ is merely being a loyal 2nd generation immigrant? As opposed to simply just being a loyal Brit.
Treacle Toes
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I don't need to expand on where that came from...if you'd read the conversation you'd know.
Now instead of back pedaling and avoiding, can you say what being loyal to Britain means and why you think SJ is merely being a loyal 2nd generation immigrant? As opposed to simply just being a loyal Brit.
Raheem
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It's never that simple. The decision still has to be justified under the legislation and generally compatible with the law (e.g. HRA, Children Act).
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think I'm coming around to this position. Originally I was more for some sort of response similar to the Allied prosecutions of fascists after WW2 or at least the UK providing financial and legal support for those countries who have ended up with these fascists. However I really do think the UK should take responsibility for criminal investigation and any prosecution of UK ISIS members. Not just returning fighters but also in in gathering evidence about the role of UK ISIS women members and bringing those who were involved in the enslavement of Yazidi women to justice .
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