British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[TheHoodedClaw]

Not sure that they've ever done that for someone who has just given birth and who is in a refugee camp.

Brutal, innit?

 

[agricola]

Brutal, innit?

The legal case to overturn it certainly will, especially if they haven't revoked that of the other girls (or indeed anyone still over there).

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So does she have dual nationality then?

 

[dessiato]

Just been announced her British citizenship is to be revoked.

Isis Briton Shamima Begum to have UK citizenship revoked

Isis Briton Shamima Begum faces move to have citizenship revoked

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

So does she have dual nationality then?

What nationality will the newborn have?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

What nationality will the newborn have?

Quite!

 

[kebabking]

So does she have dual nationality then?

Not any more...

 

[tonysingh]

Revoking her citizenship smacks of pandering to or appeasing the far right and that's disquieting to say the least.

 

[8115]

Revoking her citizenship smacks of pandering to or appeasing the far right and that's disquieting to say the least.

Yeah. I am very surprised at this news.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Revoking her citizenship smacks of pandering to or appeasing the far right and that's disquieting to say the least.

Yep. Regardless of what she's done, this is shitty behaviour from the Uk govt and an attempt to set a pretty dangerous precedent, imo.

 

[danny la rouge]

Just been announced her British citizenship is to be revoked.

Isis Briton Shamima Begum to have UK citizenship revoked

Isis Briton Shamima Begum faces move to have citizenship revoked

Daft move, in my opinion. We going to do that to all criminals now?

 

[nardy]

We going to do that to all criminals now?

No such luck.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So wtf do the Kurds do with her now? Where do they send her?

I hope this is simply playing to the crowd and is a decision that is reversed.

 

[Athos]

That letter looks a bit sus. From the layout, the language and the lack of detail. I'd be surprised if she has been deprived of her citizenship, and, if she has, i'd be surprise if that withstands a legal challenge (unless she has a dual citizenship unknown to the public). I suppose it could be an attempt by Javid to look tough, knowing full well it will be overturned by the courts.

 

[twentythreedom]

It's a very dangerous precedent to set. Removing citizenship on the grounds of adhering to the wrong ideology.

She's not wanted for or accused of any crimes as such, is she?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a very dangerous precedent to set. Removing citizenship on the grounds of adhering to the wrong ideology.

She's not wanted or accused of any crimes as such, is she?

I would be surprised if the govt get away with this

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a very dangerous precedent to set. Removing citizenship on the grounds of adhering to the wrong ideology.

She's not wanted or accused of any crimes as such, is she?

Yes, she is. She is wanted here for the crime of joining IS, at a minimum. That's not really the point, imo. Bring her here and have her held to account for what she has done. A criminal British person is still a British person - 'our' responsibility, not the responsibility of whichever poor sods get stuck with her.

 

[8115]

It's a very dangerous precedent to set. Removing citizenship on the grounds of adhering to the wrong ideology.

She's not wanted or accused of any crimes as such, is she?

She is, someone highlighted them all earlier. Belonging to a proscribed organisation is one I can remember, there are loads of new laws relating to exactly this situation (travelling abroad to join IS). I am not sure when they were made law, quite recently.

 

[kebabking]

That letter looks a bit sus. From the layout, the language and the lack of detail. I'd be surprised if shehas been deprived of her citizenship, and, if she has, i'd be surprise if that withstands a legal challenge (unless she has a dual citizenship unknown to the public). I suppose if could be an attempt by Javid to llok tough, knowing full well it will be overturned by the courts.

I don't get letters from the Home Office, but iI woul expect it to say that X decision has brbe taken in accordance with Y regulation in the Z Act and what the appeal process is.

Do we know it's real, and not some hoax?

 

[gosub]

Step in the wrong direction. Should have worked on getting a unit in the Hauge step up for processing and vetting.

 

[8115]

Iirc, when the laws were introduced, activist type people in the UK were quite unhappy about it, as they're quite open to interpretation and could pick up a lot of organisations and people in their remit if the government wanted.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Iirc, when the laws were introduced, activist type people in the UK were quite unhappy about it, as they're quite open to interpretation and could pick up a lot of organisations and people in their remit if the government wanted.

I share some of that unease, but joining IS in the way that she did - smuggling herself out of Britain and into Syria specifically to join up with their cause and to marry one of them for the furtherance of the new state - goes somewhat beyond mere passive 'membership' in any case.

 

[8115]

I share some of that unease, but joining IS in the way that she did - smuggling herself out of Britain and into Syria specifically to join up with their cause and to marry one of them for the furtherance of the new state - goes somewhat beyond mere passive 'membership' in any case.

Yeah, I wasn't highlighting it to state a position (other than kind of, oh that's interesting, I wonder if it has any implications here), just remembered.

 

[twentythreedom]

Yes, she is. She is wanted here for the crime of joining IS, at a minimum. That's not really the point, imo. Bring her here and have her held to account for what she has done. A criminal British person is still a British person - 'our' responsibility, not the responsibility of whichever poor sods get stuck with her.

Have charges been formally laid against her? (not that it makes much difference either way tbh)

Eta: I don't know the legal details - is 'being wanted' enough alone? Does a warrant need to be issued?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Have charges been formally laid against her? (not that it makes much difference either way tbh)

No. They're currently busy trying to make her stateless so that she never returns. But others have been prosecuted for this upon their return. There is no doubt she would be arrested the second she stepped foot in the UK.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Have charges been formally laid against her? (not that it makes much difference either way tbh)

They can’t realistically be until she returns to the UK.

 

[LDC]

It's possible to feel uneasy about the decision (or it looks more like an attempt really) and where it might lead, but also to have a feeling of pleasure and justice at her plight. My bet is it won't stand legally though.

People can be charged in the absence can't they though?

 

[maomao]

Does anyone think this would be happening if she was white (and I don't know about ISIS wives but there are certainly white ISIS soldiers)? The only reason people have contemplated taking her citizenship away is because they don't think she's British in the first place. I'm all for locking her up but this is just stupid and probably illegal.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It's possible to feel uneasy about the decision (or it looks more like an attempt really) and where it might lead, but also to have a feeling of pleasure and justice at her plight. My bet is it won't stand legally though.

People can be charged in the absence can't they though?

They can, but in theory the CPS should be in a position to prosecute when a charge is laid and in this case they can’t be cos she ain’t here, also it is better in most cases to have the accused interviewed before considering which charges, if any they should face.

 

[LDC]

Does anyone think this would be happening if she was white?

Yes, I think it would.