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Plastic Paddy
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British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Yeah I know. I don't think she came across much better in the Times interview tbf.
Why would you be surprised at the timing? It's pretty much perfect from a journalistic perspective.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Well it's a scoop but can you be sure the interviewee knows what is going on? I have never given birth so can't really comment but would be interested to hear from those that have.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
That is exactly why I wrote: "You can't claim a right to extradition. It's [i.e whether or not to apply for an extradition warrant] a matter for prosecutors to decide on." [This isn't even an option here, as she's not held by a recognised state never mind one with an extradition agreement.] I only mentioned extradition as one of a number of mechanisms used by states to transfer people internationally.
Voluntary repatriation is clearly the relevant mechanism in this case. In certain circumstances, states exercise a discretion to do this, but it's not something that any nationals are generally entitled to claim as a right, so far as I'm aware. I am genuinely curious to know if anyone can think of a precedent for any state anywhere ever voluntarily repatriating a subject, whose reason for requiring repatriation is their involvement with a violently hostile political project, for which they remain unremorseful?
This might not settle the case, but if nobody can cite a precedent, it calls into question the notion that she currently deserves any particular treatment as a right by virtue of her British citizenship. However we regard her as an individual, we should be wary of her case setting a precedent for the state striping subjects of their citizenship for political reasons, especially when this would leave them stateless, but that's a different matter.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
She is, of course, free to live in assad's democratic secular syria.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
Journalists clearly wouldn't be getting such good access to her if it didn't suit the agenda of the Kurds. This also serves the agenda of Isis pretty well, too, even if she seems detached from the organisation itself. What better story to further polarise European countries along the lines of religion/race/immigration status?
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Still not reading any of my posts then.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Don't worry, I'm giving them all the attention they deserve.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not so sure about that. She looks and sounds defeated and not a little lost. Doesn't that just emphasise the scale of their defeat?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It's like she's on some kind of psychological warfare mission.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
48 pages... blimey!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
She went to the SpookyFrank school of logic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
she should have gone to an institution of public relations
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
As a territorial 'Caliphate', Deash might look like a spent force for the time being, but as an insurgency, it seems a bit complacent to write them off. What plays into their hands, in this case, is the polarising effect it has in Europe. This fits in with a strategy of undermining the grey zone in which Muslims and others coexist peacefully. However European Governments deal with the likes of Begum, from leaving them to fester where they are to prosecuting, incarcerating and surveilling them in Europe, it has the potential to create both increased hostility towards the local Muslim population in general and further grievances among potential Daesh supporters.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
She'd be well advised to stop giving interviews. Everything she says is causing more anger towards her.
mojo pixy
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Land is irrelevant now that Daesh / IS has established itself as a global brand. Land was needed for that but the real territory they want, and have, is cultural.
(apropos of fuck all really, I was musing on how this woman is part of that process now as much as she ever was of the actual land-based process there on the ground)
(apropos of fuck all really, I was musing on how this woman is part of that process now as much as she ever was of the actual land-based process there on the ground)
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Tbf, she's only confirmed what everyone already knew. As mentioned by someone before, she was a 15 year old with access to the internet and an extreme interest in ISIS. In the months and years before she took off there were plenty of beheadings going viral as well as that Jordanian pilot getting torched alive in the cage. Any suggestion that she somehow missed those is beyond absurd.
She saw them and decided to join in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There were plenty of others that were not publicised that were easily accessible for those interested or prepared to do a few minutes digging and that were much much worse than the horrifying things you mention. I think it would be preposterous to suggest that she did not.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Again, not sure about that either. While I agree that they are not done ideologically, surely the point was and is to build a new Islamic state. And to do that requires conquest and land. The project was the building of a new society. The conquests constituted proof that they were doing God's work. That project, for the moment at least, has collapsed.
mojo pixy
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I agree the land-based project has collapsed, that's self-evident. I expect it's considered a temporary setback at worst, at best grist to future mills. They hated us so much they destroyed us, of course, God still wants this, naturally; several decades later people such as this will be elders, encouraging the kids of their time with all the I was there whens.**
** assuming things don't improve greatly in the next few decades, and why would they?
** assuming things don't improve greatly in the next few decades, and why would they?
Athos
Well-Known Member
I know. People were still pursuing that ridiculous line, though. At least she's finally put that to bed, even for those credulous fools.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes. This is only starting. The disgusting re-imposition of shia dominance in Iraq has already got the flame lit for the next round.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Meant to quote. Yes, IS are a tool and one that has not come to the end of its usefulness. Whatever happens to this woman and her poor baby, it will be used as a weapon by all and sundry.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I'd prefer it if, say, a traumatised 19 year old Yazidi woman with baby who would like to come to Britain could come here instead.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
I've just watched it now. It's one of the hardest things I've watched in a while.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't think he needs it. You will likely be charged with something like purposes connected to the commission of preparation of terrorism under the new PTA and knowledge of this would be enough to block. This what british volunteers for the PKK have been charged with just for going to turkey.
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