British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[likesfish]

tbf journalists do fucking stupid things in war zones all the time, kicking chemical weapons, walking into minefields trying to cross the Iranian border to talk to the revolutionary guard driving at high speed at sentrys. So they have probably thought of this and been advised by their security that's its a really stupid idea

 

[kebabking]

It's all theoretically doable - there are two Urbs who have been there or there abouts - but it's not straightforward and it's not safe, it's not even randomly dangerous. Getting to with 500 yards of her would, in PMC or military/int terms, be relatively easy (once you're in Iraq or Syria, getting into Iraq or Syria however is a whole different bag of chips - neither Iraq nor Turkey are overly helpful, Jordan is a possibility...), but the problem any non-state solution faces is that she doesn't have any valid travel documents. If she can get to the British Embassy in Baghdad the UK government would have to deal with her, but by-and-large the travel documents are on the other side of a hard(ish) border, and she'll need travel documents to cross that border...

 

[cupid_stunt]

People are suggesting Murdoch could or should fund her rescue? I think I must be tripping.

 

[hash tag]

Why not? She really would be selling her soul to the devil then. Just think how many pages he would get out of it, for a long time.
if he kept his eyes on her, it would be less trouble for security forces.

 

[8ball]

Why? Will that effect our premiums? We're not too sure of her current membership status, so we thought it was best to err on the side of caution.

Probably best to insure for separately for the inbound and outbound leg in that case.

 

[Spymaster]

People are suggesting Murdoch could or should fund her rescue?

I think he was serious too.

 

[kebabking]

Why not? She really would be selling her soul to the devil then. Just think how many pages he would get out of it, for a long time.
if he kept his eyes on her, it would be less trouble for security forces.

Really, you're equating follow up interview with a couple of Times hacks with the 24 hour physical and communications surveillance by the Secuity Service?

Is it 'put crack on your sandwiches day', and no one has told me?

 

[alex_]

I will bow to your superior knowledge. I had no idea that all it took was a bit of cash to get a camera crew in and out. I had naively assumed that it required a whole lot of paperwork up front, contacts on the ground, a fair number of hair-raising moments, no doubt a bunch of bribes even with the correct paperwork, stuff like that.

It’s easy you can just book it at sharianair.com

Alex

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Happens all the time. One minute you're going down to the pool bar for a mojito in Bodrum, the next you wake up amidst a drone strike in Raqqa, have 2 kids, and can't escape for years.

It's a double raki mate. only twats drink Mojitos in bodrum.

 

[keybored]

One of the people who went to Syria to fight against IS(IS/IL/whatever) alongside the Kurds (and barely avoided prosecution on returning) was on the radio this morning arguing that Begum should be allowed to return, face charges if need be but otherwise should have some consideration and support being she was (is) just a daft kid, really. I can't help agreeing with him.

Annoyingly I can't find a link. Google keeps throwing up hits for an interview on Good Morning Britain where another vanity soldier who calls himself Macer Gifford takes a diametrically opposed viewpoint, calling Begum an "incredibly dangerous young woman". For some reason I can't find myself agreeing with this former currency trader.

 

[LDC]

One of the people who went to Syria to fight against IS(IS/IL/whatever) alongside the Kurds (and barely avoided prosecution on returning) was on the radio this morning arguing that Begum should be allowed to return, face charges if need be but otherwise should have some consideration and support being she was (is) just a daft kid, really. I can't help agreeing with him.

Annoyingly I can't find a link. Google keeps throwing up hits for an interview on Good Morning Britain where another vanity soldier who calls himself Macer Gifford takes a diametrically opposed viewpoint, calling Begum an "incredibly dangerous young woman". For some reason I can't find myself agreeing with this former currency trader.

Possibly Jim Matthews, he's recently written a book too, so might be plugging that.

 

[MrSki]

I heard on the Radio 5 Live someone who was recently out there saying they spoke to a Kurdish intelligence officer who had told him that foreign IS fighters have been told they should go home & set up sleeper cells to take the fight to the West. They have had four or five years to get training in weapons & bomb making. Don't know if there is any truth in it but is chilling if it is.

 

[The39thStep]

Possibly Jim Matthews, he's recently written a book too, so might be plugging that.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fighting-M...=1550353012&sr=8-1&keywords=jim+matthews+kurd

I think he takes a harder line having seen what the ISIS state , their volunteers and passive supporters dId on an everyday basis .

 

[The39thStep]

One of the people who went to Syria to fight against IS(IS/IL/whatever) alongside the Kurds (and barely avoided prosecution on returning) was on the radio this morning arguing that Begum should be allowed to return, face charges if need be but otherwise should have some consideration and support being she was (is) just a daft kid, really. I can't help agreeing with him.

Annoyingly I can't find a link. Google keeps throwing up hits for an interview on Good Morning Britain where another vanity soldier who calls himself Macer Gifford takes a diametrically opposed viewpoint, calling Begum an "incredibly dangerous young woman". For some reason I can't find myself agreeing with this former currency trader.

Don't care whether he was a former currency trader or a car trader . He put his life on the line at a time when some sections of the left were still debating whether ISIS were a product of UK/USA imperialism

 

[friedaweed]

One can live in hope. He theremay be an old softy hidden under that scaley carapace.

The funny thing is the more stuff like this gets floated about at the top of the great toilet bowl that the media is, the more likely it is that some soft cunt will see the publicity in it do exactly that. In fact if old Katie Twatkins had sat down and had a dump this morning and thought about how she could get the most attention out of this she'd of probably written the cheque by now.

I'm holding out for a Bono.

She is the refugee,
I see his face
I see it staring back at me

 

[weltweit]

I heard on the Radio 5 Live someone who was recently out there saying they spoke to a Kurdish intelligence officer who had told him that foreign IS fighters have been told they should go home & set up sleeper cells to take the fight to the West. They have had four or five years to get training in weapons & bomb making. Don't know if there is any truth in it but is chilling if it is.

I don't know why you doubt it, it sounds very likely to me.

 

[The39thStep]

I don't know why you doubt it, it sounds very likely to me.

Sounds entirely plausible tbh . They might be beaten militarily but the risk of a terrorist attack is very likely .

 

[marshall]

but surely she'll be so closely monitored when she's back that there'll be little chance of her even popping to the shops without being tracked let alone establishing a bomb making terrorist cell...

 

[dylanredefined]

I heard on the Radio 5 Live someone who was recently out there saying they spoke to a Kurdish intelligence officer who had told him that foreign IS fighters have been told they should go home & set up sleeper cells to take the fight to the West. They have had four or five years to get training in weapons & bomb making. Don't know if there is any truth in it but is chilling if it is.

How many of them are going sure boss and just go home. Doing little or anything to fight the west just being glad to get out of there.

 

[kebabking]

Sounds entirely plausible tbh . They might be beaten militarily but the risk of a terrorist attack is very likely .

Yeah, they've morphed - they've made something like a thousand attacks in Iraq in the last 18 months. Bombs, assassinations, all the business.

They'll be back in territory form, they have too many serious, experienced fighters and Syria and Iraq both have governments that are too inept, venal, cruel, corrupt, illegitimate and disinterested to hold the loyalty of the locals.

Five years after the Iraqi army collapsed and allowed IS to march within 20 miles of Baghdad, you can still buy the command of a Division in the Iraqi Army. $40million is the current going rate....

 

[keybored]

Don't care whether he was a former currency trader or a car trader . He put his life on the line at a time when some sections of the left were still debating whether ISIS were a product of UK/USA imperialism

Amy raggamuffin who went to join ISIS put their life on the line too. I'm a bit surprised as to how this hardened veteran calls her a dangerous young woman, compared to the other guy who faced charges calling for some balance.

 

[keybored]

Possibly Jim Matthews, he's recently written a book too, so might be plugging that.

Don't think it was him.

 

[hot air baboon]

no-one seems very bothered about rushing in to try to rescue poor old John Cantlie

 

[8ball]

but surely she'll be so closely monitored when she's back that there'll be little chance of her even popping to the shops without being tracked let alone establishing a bomb making terrorist cell...

Oh sure, with this level of media attention that will certainly be the case.
There are a lot more of them, though.

 

[8ball]

no-one seems very bothered about rushing in to try to rescue poor old John Cantlie

Or Michael Fish. Or Wincie Willis.

 

[MrSki]

but surely she'll be so closely monitored when she's back that there'll be little chance of her even popping to the shops without being tracked let alone establishing a bomb making terrorist cell...

There are hundreds of them. They can't all be monitored 24/7.

 

[tim]

I heard on the Radio 5 Live someone who was recently out there saying they spoke to a Kurdish intelligence officer who had told him that foreign IS fighters have been told they should go home & set up sleeper cells to take the fight to the West. They have had four or five years to get training in weapons & bomb making. Don't know if there is any truth in it but is chilling if it is.

Ah the old friend of a friend of urban myth.

 

[eoin_k]

Ah the old friend of a friend of urban myth.

It's hardly the realm of fantasy, or am I missing something?

 

[MrSki]

Ah the old friend of a friend of urban myth.

So IS has been collapsing for a couple of years & the leaders must have known they would not hold onto any land. Got thousands of foreign fighters. Why not send them back before they get taken prisoner?
He was an invited guest on 5Live who had been in the region in the last few weeks. Why should he bullshit?

 

[tim]

There are hundreds of them. They can't all be monitored 24/7.

DON'T MORAL PANIC, MR MRSKI!

They don't like it up 'em, apparently.