I'd favour drawing and quartering - with the castrated jewels shoved in their mouth to limit their ability to moan about it - before hanging, followed by rescuscitation for round two, and then a final mercy shown only to those whose heart hadn't yet given up the ghost of its own accord, in the case of some drivers - on the spot. Vehicle brought to a stop, dragged from their seat, then and there.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Why are you arguing with me about this? I'm not arguing with you about this. Mere minutes ago I specified exactly why I wouldn't argue about those aspects, and either you didn't read it or you didn't understand it. We'll be doing this for years if we let ourselves, because that's the point - that's the purpose she serves the British government. And I said that already.
You said she isn’t guilty of anything yet. I was pointing out her position isn’t particularly sound on that front. I suppose we can all thank that she hasn’t been shot for treason. Or disappeared to a CIA ‘questioning’ facility.
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I didn't. I said her guilt hasn't been established, and won't be until several processes have been completed - none of which either can be or will be soon, so there's little point in this hypothetical jury continuing an already years long bunfight for the sake of it. That, is what I said.
Rob Ray
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Is the second take actually "an innocent lamb who was led astray" though? The one I tend to see is people saying she was groomed to do some stupid things, then said some horrible things, may or may not have done some terrible things after that, experienced some traumatic things, and eventually said some apologetic things. The difference of opinion is not really on whether she bears some responsibility but on how much, how it should be handled, and whether baying for blood is reasonable or not.
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She is in the news at the moment though.
Whatever.
I think never. It can't be part of a criminal justice system (although it can be a perfectly understandable emotional response of a victim - which is rightly why they don't form part of the jury and have to recuse themselves from acting in a legal capacity if they have involvement). The rest is hypothetical, and will run and run. She's just the poster girl right now.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How unimaginative
Well of course. They hate sharia law because it's called sharia law and that means panic stations, but their views on criminal justice tend to dovetail with it perfectly - every single time. Maybe it's the halal meat component they really object to huh!
I'm very wary of this topic because it's just a roundabout with no real off ramp once you get on. I made the terrible error of doing so in the only other forum I use, where this topic came up. I objected to the open calls for and support for the most brutal forms of murder to be inflicted upon the girl, on the streets of this country, should she ever return. Found myself in a very long and pointless argument with multiple people who were fantasizing about literally painting the streets with her blood. Had it been face to face, I'd have quickly turned my back - forever - in revulsion, but the internet doesn't work that way. It was outrageous, psychopathic - and they were adamant that I (along with her) was the evil party. And they never left me alone from then on. Anything I ever said on any topic, I was that cunt. Along with a handful of other things (a couple of which were even my own fault, because I can admittedly be rather bitchy), it made usage intolerable for some time.
What almost pissed me off the most was that the kick off and majority of the most intense to and fro was the most gorgeous hot day, which I could've spent on the terrace with a good book, without the fight on multiple fronts.
It's just one of those touchstone topics in modern Britain, and most people haven't got much useful to contribute - including me, which is why I've stated my boundaries on it here. I have learned. Beyond stating your case and then getting out, it's a hiding to nothing but hassle.
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Rob Ray
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Yeah happens all over – I really shocked a guy the other day when I pointed out that merrily calling for a bike thief to have his hands cut off "like in Saudi Arabia" sounded a wee bit psychotic. He was just assuming everyone would agree with him. "I'm morally in the right" as an excuse for expressing your deranged violent fantasising to the world. Also see "if Just Stop Oil were in front of my car I'd run them over and laugh about it." Cheers Maureen, good to bear in mind, now stay the fuck away from me ...
Athos
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On the grooming point, the government's approach at today's hearing was twofold. It's lawyers explained that MI5's assessment was that she went voluntarily with her eyes wide open. But that, even if she had been groomed, that didn't mean she wasn't dangerous, such that the HS's decision would still be reasonable.
Pickman's model
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More on than in
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She hasn't been groomed, cos...
"It's lawyers explained that MI5's assessment was that she went voluntarily with her eyes wide open..."
"But that, even if she had been groomed..."
They're flapping around as much as we are. At least them cunts are getting paid for it, I guess.
Athos
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It is a bit 'have you cake and eat it'!
Would be fascinating to know exactly what intel they had about her.
I think a lot of people in this country would attend public executions if they could. Many would take their kids along too. If the death penalty ever returns, I fully expect calls for it to be televised - the only debate some will be interested in will be whether the BBC should be forced to broadcast each one as part of its charter obligations, or whether ITV and Channel 5 can bid for it. The odd MP and breakfast news contributor will make a serviceable showbiz career out of popping up everywhere to laugh that Channel 4 should be made to screen it just to annoy liberals.
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So are we, if you post from work
maomao
普費斯
I've spent many a summer's afternoon on a lounger in the garden getting a tan and calling people cunts on my phone. There's no reason compulsive internet use should deprive you of vitamin D.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I don't see it as flapping - I think that both things could be true at the same time.
It is quite possible that she was groomed - like properly groomed - and went to Syria purely as a result of the persuasion/manipulation of others (I don't believe that, but I accept that it could be possible) - and that she could, despite being a victim of IS grooming, still be a commited IS supporter/instrument.
To draw an analogy, we know that a high proportion of those who abuse children where themselves abused as children - they are victims, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous to children.
Athos
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Yes. And we should remember that the case is about the decision the HS made at that time. Back then (presumably before she was getting advised about what to say publicly) she was much less repentant than she now purports to be. She said she wasn't fazed by beheadings, and downplayed the Manchester bombing.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
I find it odd that the same people who lustily looked forward to the death of an elderly women and spewed their hatred out frequently become so fucking caring towards a younger women that went off to embrace slaughter bigotry and intolerance.
Too fucking busy being careful to only care about those the right wing hate, then claiming a moral stance.
Too fucking busy being careful to only care about those the right wing hate, then claiming a moral stance.
maomao
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Whatever she did I don't think it's in any way comparable to the crimes of the British royal family.
Pickman's model
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I'm not sure that ISIS is left wing? At least, not in the Western European social democratic way of things.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I don't think IS is remotely left wing - in a very cosmetic economic way perhaps - but that wasn't what I thought _Russ_ was getting at.
For me, if you're left wing, IS are on a equal footing with Himmler, or Saddam Hussein, or Beria or Stalin, or any other deeply vile regime/individual or ideology. What the right wing - of which there are as many strands of opinion as their are on the left - thinks of it simply isn't relevant to what anyone with fundamentally social, not-hating-people views should think.
Rob Ray
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Did they? Personally I was mostly disinterested. And if "they" (the amorphous mass) did, why do you think the death at great age of a figure who never faced so much as a cross word let alone justice for her role as the ultra-wealthy head of a rapacious imperial state, and who never for a moment thought she'd done anything wrong let alone repudiate her past actions, might cause a different reaction?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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