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British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

Because he conspired to murder US citizens. (And I think he's being transferred to a UK prison after 15 years, if he complies with the terms of the plea agreement.)
 
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Magnus McGinty said:
The bottom line is that because Begum is brown and has a vagina she is being considered differently via liberal QED than if she was white with a cock going into a fascist killing and rape spree. We all know this but still have to go through various mental gymnastics with folk who deny that's the case.
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This is desperate stuff from you Magnus.
 
bimble said:
why actually is Kotey serving life in prison in america (on their tax dollars etc) when he was made in the UK ?
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He, along with his co-conspirators murdered 4 US citizens. He's repented and will come back to the UK at some point, the other scumbag will die in a US prison, though he's managed to avoid the worst fate the US can offer, ADX Florence.
 
If Sajid claims worrying info informed his decision how different is it for her to be in prison camp in Syria vs locked up here. In Syria she can mount a PR campaign. In a UK prison less so.
You do want to speculate what Sajid knows. Is she actually at the heart of ISIS organising bad stuff from her prison camp?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
He, along with his co-conspirators murdered 4 US citizens. He's repented and will come back to the UK at some point, the other scumbag will die in a US prison, though he's managed to avoid the worst fate the US can offer, ADX Florence.
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Why's he coming back to the UK if he's not a British citizen? What a load of performative bollocks.
 
_Russ_ said:
I would think anyone with an IQ above 50 reading my post to its end (it is rather short really) could see that my post indicates clearly why I think people project such position, im not going to waste time expanding for numbskulls
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Well then. It's what they both represent really then isn't it. Gotta say, I doubt (might be wrong of course) that many people who want to abolish the monarchy, didn't feel sad about the queen dying and mock them would actually want to reinstate the death penalty. But I'd bet a pound to a penny the Venn diagram of those glad of Begum being stripped of UK citizenship and those who'd want the death penalty would have a large overlap.

Her being stripped of her British citizenship concerns me: to the ruling class, it never stops with "people like her." Our freedoms are being increasingly eroded as it is. I don't think it should be made easier by being us complacent about that.
 
Athos said:
Oh, come on! He was an adult, who knew he had dual citizenship, actually beheaded people, and underwent a due process in which he admitted his guilt. To suggest that the difference in treatment between him and Begum is female privilege at work is either incredibly stupid or extremely disingenuous.
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Yeah, I was chatting shit at this point. I'll eat humble pie for a bit.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
The bottom line is that because Begum is brown and has a vagina she is being considered differently via liberal QED than if she was white with a cock going into a fascist killing and rape spree. We all know this but still have to go through various mental gymnastics with folk who deny that's the case.
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When has she been accused of raping or killing anyone? And white men convicted of brutal sectarian murders in Northern Ireland were released very quickly once the situation changed.
 
tim said:
When has she been accused of raping or killing anyone? And white men convicted of brutal sectarian murders in Northern Ireland were released very quickly once the situation changed.
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You're basically defending the Nazi "just following orders, guv" position.
We can't say what crimes she did or didn't participate in. But she supported what the regime was doing.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
You're basically defending the Nazi "just following orders, guv" position.
We can't say what crimes she did or didn't participate in. But she supported what the regime was doing.
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The only following orders excuse was used by those who were proven to have committed war crimes bit by nonparticipants.
 
tim said:
The only following orders excuse was used by those who were proven to have committed war crimes bit by nonparticipants.
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She appears to have changed her position due to the Caliphate collapsing and ending up in a grim refugee camp. I get that. But why would she be considered as anything other than a security risk?
 
Magnus McGinty said:
She appears to have changed her position due to the Caliphate collapsing and ending up in a grim refugee camp. I get that. But why would she be considered as anything other than a security risk?
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She'd probably be recognised going into an Ariana Grande concert.

Seriously, though, we've had hundreds of IS fighters coming back to the UK. And we have people in the UK convicted of terrorist offences and sent to prison, rather than having their citizenship taken away, where that's possible.

Begum's treatment isn't about her being a security risk, it's about her being an opportunity for politicians.
 
What a weird discussion. What's the actual difference between the statements left and right are united on this issue and both sides of the spectrum have used this situation as an opportunity to further their politics.
 
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