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British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

well, yes. everything shamima did was fine in the caliphate etc but that’s not the point is it.
Well it is and it isn't insofar as people complaining that a difference in outcomes is unfair because it's arbitrary when based on dual citizenship that's not been actively sought are overlooking the fact lots of laws are equally arbitrary, but accepted as fair. But that's getting a bit off the point. I broadly agree with the point you're making.
 
Well it is and it isn't insofar as people complaining that a difference in outcomes is unfair because it's arbitrary when based on dual citizenship that's not been actively sought are overlooking the fact lots of laws are equally arbitrary, but accepted as fair. But that's getting a bit off the point. I broadly agree with the point you're making.
Many laws might be rubbish but some laws are worse than others and this one is definitely a crap one.
 
if she’s a giant threat, lock her up until she’s dead. If we can’t do that even if it’s what’s deemed necessary then we need to sort it out. Not outsource it to Bangladesh.
As discussed, it's not as simple as just sorting it out, sadly. Not for future cases, and certainly not to apply to her case retroactively.
 
Mind you, it doesn't help that Britain has let in Jihadists wholesale over the last two decades only for the argument to rest on a teenage girl. State actions aside, it doesn't excuse incoherent anti-fascist positions.
 
It was a stupid decision taking away her British nationality. They should def give it back.. it sets a dodgy precedent. Yes maybe overall the majority of the public agree with the decision made but that doesnt make it a good one!

....once she's British again they she can fuck off and they can get the ball rolling with putting her on trial in Iraq or Kurdistan with some of the other ISIS shitbags.
 
Did it work?, I mean did the Nazi Terrorist go on to repent his ways and not re-offend?
I have no idea but I kinda doubt that it worked. I don't believe in just dismissing all alternatives to retributive justice though and I'm aware that the Spanish anarchists tried to rehabilitate fascists and nationalists during the civil war/revolution - Augustin Souchy wrote about it in With the Peasants of Aragon - a great read.
 
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Did it work?, I mean did the Nazi Terrorist go on to repent his ways and not re-offend?
Deeyah Khan, who I mentioned further back in this thread, does seem to have had some success with individual white supremacists/nazis who she spent time with. And maybe with jihadis too for all I know.
 
It was a stupid decision taking away her British nationality. They should def give it back.. it sets a dodgy precedent. Yes maybe overall the majority of the public agree with the decision made but that doesnt make it a good one!

....once she's British again they she can fuck off and they can get the ball rolling with putting her on trial in Iraq or Kurdistan with some of the other ISIS shitbags.

huh? if she gets her citizenship back, next step would be to get her back to the UK. Why would she then be tried in Iraq or Kurdistan? The whole point of regaining citizenship is to be able to return
 
huh? if she gets her citizenship back, next step would be to get her back to the UK. Why would she then be tried in Iraq or Kurdistan? The whole point of regaining citizenship is to be able to return

Not til she's done her time. This is the obvious thing. She might just escape and go back to form otherwise. It makes me sick all this daftness about how she's the real victim here.... a total psycho whose husband used to rape and decapitate people and she was cool with that.
 
Not til she's done her time. This is the obvious thing. She might just escape and go back to form otherwise. It makes me sick all this daftness about how she's the real victim here.... a total psycho whose husband used to rape and decapitate people and she was cool with that.
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If she succeeds in her appeal, she'll be pushing to come back to the UK ASAP.
 
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If she succeeds in her appeal, she'll be pushing to come back to the UK ASAP.

Fair enough. I am no expert here but arent some British citizens whove been criminals abroad prevented from returning? Nonces etc? Or is it just while youre banged up?

It's sickening the evasion of responsibility various governments have shown to dealing with the isis wags and stragglers mob. Guaranteed theyll be breaking out of Azkaban in the next few years though if things go tits up in Rojava (looking likely with Turkey on the warpath).
 
Fair enough. I am no expert here but arent some British citizens whove been criminals abroad prevented from returning? Nonces etc? Or is it just while youre banged up?

It's sickening the evasion of responsibility various governments have shown to dealing with the isis wags and stragglers mob. Guaranteed theyll be breaking out of Azkaban in the next few years though if things go tits up in Rojava (looking likely with Turkey on the warpath).

The UK can't prevent its own citizens from entering the UK. That's the whole reason they stripped her of her British citizenship.
 
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There's no example of a white boy losing his British citizenship for joining a fascist group, so there won't be direct evidence either way. At most, people can speculate, based on their experience of this place, including the sympathy this particular (islamo)fascist has received versus the usual aproach to more 'traditional' fascists. But it's a moot/non point in the scheme of things.


Anyone born on the island of Ireland is automatically an Irish citizen under the constitution of the Irish Republic. I have never heard of any Loyalist terrorists or sympathisers having their British citizenship revoked with the justification that they already have Irish Citizenship.
 
Anyone born on the island of Ireland is automatically an Irish citizen under the constitution of the Irish Republic. I have never heard of any Loyalist terrorists or sympathisers having their British citizenship revoked with the justification that they already have Irish Citizenship.
I don't think that's right. They're not automatically Irish citizens; they're entitled to become Irish citizens (if they were born before January 2005 - the Irish constitution has been chamged). Unless and until they exercise that right, they're not dual citizens; as such, their British citizenship can't be removed (because that'd make them stateless).

In any event, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. How loyalists are treated by the British government isn't relevant to my point you quoted; it was a comment on Spymaster's/Rob Roy's argument about whether it not the left treats Begum differently from how it treats other fascists in similar circumstances. My point being there is no suitable comparator.
 
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I see that on average about 35 people a year get their British citizenship taken away from them by decision of the home secretary. Anybody know whether this also happens when the country they get dumping on is a place that 'we' want stuff from, like a lucrative trade agreement or political collaboration of some kind or only when it's a crap country like bangladesh. Have we dumped unwanted people on america or france for instance or not.
 
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I see that on average about 35 people a year get their British citizenship taken away from them by decision of the home secretary. Anybody know whether this also happens when the country they get dumping on is a place that 'we' want stuff from, like a lucrative trade agreement or political collaboration of some kind or only when it's a crap country like bangladesh. Have we dumped unwanted people on america or france for instance or not.
The most famous example of the UK doing that is when it stitched up 'five eyes' ally Canada over Jack Letts. But that's unusual. Though it's not clear if that's because the UK is trying to keep those countries happy, or because these individuals don't typically have dual citizenship with such countries.
 
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This is why I don’t think it’s worth getting worked-up about it. People suggest that it’s a power that could be abused but I asked on here months ago if anyone could come up with a single example of that happening to a non-terrorist and so far nobody has.
You think? The governments here have had a tendency to deport first, ask questions later. As I recall, the Windrush scandal saw people who had lived here for decades removed for such unacceptable behaviour as traffic offenses.
 
This is one of those subjects where parts of the left show themselves up as being completely out of touch with what the general public think. And it fucking pisses me off. Because for every economic argument you can convince people of they are repelled by this kind of bullshit by folk who would do better keeping their mouths shut.
I can just see an earlier version of you passing out the white feathers then volunteering to be first over the top, just to keep in step with good old general public.
 
You think? The governments here have had a tendency to deport first, ask questions later. As I recall, the Windrush scandal saw people who had lived here for decades removed for such unacceptable behaviour as traffic offenses.

Well again, can you give me a single instance of it happening to someone who’s not a nonce or terrorist?
 
Well again, can you give me a single instance of it happening to someone who’s not a nonce or terrorist?
He did. It was permanent residence that was denied rather than citizenship but apart from the right to vote it amounts to the same thing.
 
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