"Victims of grooming gangs want action"...headline today on the BBC

[breadandcircuse]

And, now Farage has said he'll set up his own Reform inquiry, if the government does not do so before the end of Jan.

The lying fucker couldn't even be bothered to turn up for the debate. That's how much he really gives a shit. Lying, grifting scumbag.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

A public inquiry into what?

A independent public inquiry into the rape gangs and into how they operated and were allowed to do so for so long before action was retrospectively taken.

Alongside this, the 20 recommendations in the Jay report need to be actioned swiftly and properly.

The inquiry will either be done properly or by Reform. I know which one I would prefer.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The inquiry will either be done properly or by Reform. I know which one I would prefer.

Reform will not be carrying any 'public inquiry', the police, social services nor most victims would get in involved, it's just Farage blowing hot air, and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Are you seriously suggesting every time Farage gets on any given hobby horse, the government should fall inline and do whatever he demands?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Are you seriously suggesting every time Farage gets on any given hobby horse, the government should fall inline and do whatever he demands?

I’m suggesting a) that there is an overwhelming obligation on the state to carry out the inquiry. The recommendations in the Jay report are critically important and must be implemented. But, the Jay Review only looked at some of the gangs and only spent two weeks on total (according to Maggie Oliver) looking at this aspect of CSE. Reading the testimony of victims they do not believe that their voice has been heard. It’s incumbent on our side to support those victims.

I’m also suggesting that b) the dangers of the question of a further inquiry becoming popularly perceived as a battle between the populist right and the liberal left should be blindingly obvious.

Of course now Starmer has made ‘a stand’ on this I suspect we will find out how credible and politically impactful a Reform inquiry is going to be…

 

[breadandcircuse]

C4 is showing a programme tonight on the girl who falsely accused grooming gangs. Obviously it's the topic from another angle, but the timing seems apt. It has Robinson as a paedophile hunter in the blurb. Shame he ignores certain people in his own orbit.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Why did it take so long to prosecute? I still don't understand that. It's appalling

because gathering evidence to SECURE convictiosn is a complex and long winded process

 

[InArduisFouette]

Jenrick is a total prick, who's trying to out do Farage, disgusting creature.

remember the anagram of Jenricks COnstituency , sums him up rather well

 

[cupid_stunt]

Reading the testimony of victims they do not believe that their voice has been heard. It’s incumbent on our side to support those victims.

The best way for the victims to be heard at this stage, is during a speedy process in awarding compensation for errors made by the state, that is the best way to support the victims, not another national inquiry dragging on for bloody years.

That would also be the best way to shut up the looney right, that are just looking to make political gain from the suffering of the victims.

 

[CNT36]

The lying fucker couldn't even be bothered to turn up for the debate. That's how much he really gives a shit. Lying, grifting scumbag.

Which debate? When?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The best way for the victims to be heard at this stage, is during a speedy process in awarding compensation for errors made by the state, that is the best way to support the victims, not another national inquiry dragging on for bloody years.

What I’ve read, which I appreciate is only what I’ve read and not every word on the matter, from victims is a desire to be heard and not for compensation (although you are right on that point).

Agreed on your final point. The need for swift action all round is overwhelming.

That would also be the best way to shut up the looney right, that are just looking to make political gain from the suffering of the victims.

That’s correct, but let’s be clear: they are currently making huge political gain from it.

 

[Aladdin]

I'm finding it hard to understand the figures.
19000 children.. at a conservative number.

Also..the report says people backed away from Prosecuting perpetrators and obviously investigatin because of fears about racial tension.

So this was not down to lack of funds then..seems a bit of corruption was part of this failure.
If children were telling parents, teachers, social workers and police and someone was telling the adults to go easy to prevent unrest...that's truly appalling isn't it? Sacrificing kids safety for the sake of fear of being accused of being racist?
Am I wrong in this? Tell me race had nothing to do with the failure to pursue perpetrators or the failure to fully investigate... if I am wrong then I would be happy to be.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Which debate? When?

Farage nowhere to be seen in Commons for Child Sexual Exploitation announcement

Yvette Cooper set out how Labour plans to act on the recommendations made by the Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[Elpenor]

I'm finding it hard to understand the figures.
19000 children.. at a conservative number.

Also..the report says people backed away from Prosecuting perpetrators and obviously investigatin because of fears about racial tension.

So this was not down to lack of funds then..seems a bit of corruption was part of this failure.
If children were telling parents, teachers, social workers and police and someone was telling the adults to go easy to prevent unrest...that's truly appalling isn't it? Sacrificing kids safety for the sake of fear of being accused of being racist?
Am I wrong in this? Tell me race had nothing to do with the failure to pursue perpetrators or the failure to fully investigate... if I am wrong then I would be happy to be.

You can’t have read the link in Brogdale’s earlier reply to the thread, (the thread that you started)

Indeed; the Rotherham thread would be a useful read for anyone new to the topic or unsure about why the police were so bad at their job...

Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

The majority White community of course. Were Savile and the others Pakistani? but that in itself's a bit dodge as "white" might be polish, irish, or italian. it's like saying asian, which might be turkish or might be yakut.

www.urban75.net

 

[CNT36]

Farage nowhere to be seen in Commons for Child Sexual Exploitation announcement

Yvette Cooper set out how Labour plans to act on the recommendations made by the Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Thank you.

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m worried you’re drifting in a troubling direction, Aladdin
I hope I’m wrong and all is well

 

[Aladdin]

I’m worried you’re drifting in a troubling direction, Aladdin
I hope I’m wrong and all is well

What makes you think I'm
"drifting in a troubling direction"?
I'm ok. I'm just very saddened that so many victims are still feeling unheard.
Are you OK?

 

[Aladdin]

You can’t have read the link in Brogdale’s earlier reply to the thread, (the thread that you started)

It's a very very long and argumentative thread. It's taking a while to wade through. But thanks for your concern. You and Orang Utan are being so caring. Thanks.

 

[Elpenor]

It's a very very long and argumentative thread. It's taking a while to wade through. But thanks for your concern. You and Orang Utan are being so caring. Thanks.

Did you read the specific post number 374 by Lurdan that was linked to? Not the entire thread

 

[Orang Utan]

What makes you think I'm
"drifting in a troubling direction"?
I'm ok. I'm just very saddened that so many victims are still feeling unheard.
Are you OK?

I’m good thanks, just worried you’ve been taken in by propaganda and/or spending too much time immersed in online toxicity

 

[Aladdin]

I’m good thanks, just worried you’ve been taken in by propaganda and/or spending too much time immersed in online toxicity

I left urban before Christmas and insta before that. I'm not on any other social media.
I don't want any toxicity here.

 

[Orang Utan]

I left urban before Christmas and insta before that. I'm not on any other social media.
I don't want any toxicity here.

Good to hear

 

[bcuster]

Welcome back Aladdin . You've been missed...

 

[Aladdin]

Did you read the specific post number 374 by Lurdan that was linked to? Not the entire thread

I'm pretty sure I did. It's from 2014? With a further 63 pages left to read in that thread it obviously took some more discussion? No?

 

[Lotte]

It wasn't purely down to fear of being seen as racist. When have the police EVER cared about being seen as racist? The thing nobody on the right mentions is class, and that the police thought the girls were a bunch of slags. Many of them were in care and/or didn't come from 'nice' backgrounds. They also mistook the girls for prostitutes.

 

[Aladdin]

It wasn't purely down to fear of being seen as racist. When have the police EVER cared about being seen as racist? The thing nobody on the right mentions is class, and that the police thought the girls were a bunch of slags. Many of them were in care and/or didn't come from 'nice' backgrounds. They also mistook the girls for prostitutes.

Awful.. those poor kids.
They were the most vulnerable of all.

 

[Lotte]

Toggle said it better than I could.

 

[Lurdan]

A independent public inquiry into the rape gangs and into how they operated and were allowed to do so for so long before action was retrospectively taken.

Alongside this, the 20 recommendations in the Jay report need to be actioned swiftly and properly.

The inquiry will either be done properly or by Reform. I know which one I would prefer.

"into the rape gangs".

1. A great deal - probably a majority - of child sexual abuse is carried on in and around families, and by individuals rather than groups. I'm not aware of a public inquiry into the institutional responses to that although the victims of it are at least as badly let down as any others. But the far right aren't making political capital out of that so we should just continue to leave them out? Why?

2. How do you define "rape gang" ? The far right want an inquiry specifically into what they call "asian" or "muslim" grooming gangs ? Is that what you mean ?

How about the organised child sexual abuse and exploitation by groups which are not "asian" or "muslim"? I've seen plenty of reports of convictions of organised groups which were white. And the convictions of so-called "asian" rape gangs have included people of middle eastern as well as south asian heritage.

The IICSA investigation was into "Child sexual exploitation by organised networks". That terminology reflected the fact that "organised networks" are of different kinds

The networks or groups of adults who sexually exploit children vary. They might be a number of adults actively working together and ‘passing’ children between them, or people with only loose associations (for example being from the same communities or through links they establish such as on social media). They might also be criminals who do not sexually abuse children themselves but who use the children as a commodity for their own gain, financial or otherwise.

and they came up with their own definition since there wasn't an 'official' one

“An organised network is characterised by two or more individuals (whether identified or not) who are known to (or associated with) one another and are known to be involved in or to facilitate the sexual exploitation of children. Being involved in the sexual exploitation of children includes introducing them to other individuals for the purpose of exploitation, trafficking a child for the purpose of sexual exploitation, taking payment for sexual activities with a child or allowing their property to be used for sexual activities with a child.”

(both quotes from here)

This is clearly not what the far right want to inquire into. And they will argue loudly that any investigation on that sort of definition is just a whitewash to hide what they see as the 'real problem'. So I ask again: what do you mean by "rape gang"?

 

[Elpenor]

I'm pretty sure I did. It's from 2014? With a further 63 pages left to read in that thread it obviously took some more discussion? No?

Well if you have read the post that has been linked to you twice it will have answered the question you asked

Tell me race had nothing to do with the failure to pursue perpetrators or the failure to fully investigate... if I am wrong then I would be happy to be.

 

[Elpenor]

"into the rape gangs".

1. A great deal - probably a majority - of child sexual abuse is carried on in and around families, and by individuals rather than groups. I'm not aware of a public inquiry into the institutional responses to that although the victims of it are at least as badly let down as any others. But the far right aren't making political capital out of that so we should just continue to leave them out? Why?

2. How do you define "rape gang" ? The far right want an inquiry specifically into what they call "asian" or "muslim" grooming gangs ? Is that what you mean ?

How about the organised child sexual abuse and exploitation by groups which are not "asian" or "muslim"? I've seen plenty of reports of convictions of organised groups which were white. And the convictions of so-called "asian" rape gangs have included people of middle eastern as well as south asian heritage.

The IICSA investigation was into "Child sexual exploitation by organised networks". That terminology reflected the fact that "organised networks" are of different kinds

and they came up with their own definition since there wasn't an 'official' one

(both quotes from here)

This is clearly not what the far right want to inquire into. And they will argue loudly that any investigation on that sort of definition is just a whitewash to hide what they see as the 'real problem'. So I ask again: what do you mean by "rape gang"?

The Cornwall based rape gang jailed in 2010 doesn’t get the same amount of attention by far right types, tabloid media, and “just asking questions” internet posts.

Probably because it was a gang of white British people

 

[Aladdin]

There were two pedophile rings investigated here in the past 8 to 10 years
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