British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'

[Spanner]

Could have said stupid assertion, but I thought I'd be nice and say bold assertion. For someone who thinks people should prove their worth in communities in which they move you've a very peculiar attitude in which other people have to show their value but you don't. Xmas dinner? Many friendships have started here and indeed relationships and families. Don't make out this is some lesser version of reality, or you'll really show how worthless (or worthy) you are.

You keep making out I'm a big cheese and I'm trying to intimidate you. I am not a big cheese. There are better respected posters here than me. There are angrier posters here than me. And frankly there are posters who know more about cheese here than me. I'm not seen as an elder, an influencer, an untouchable. That's you projecting your views onto me rather than looking at any actual evidence.

I don't think you'll last long here, because you seem determined to make yourself obnoxious. Not up to me of course whether you sink or swim here. But you're the one tying lead weights to your feet

As usual you lead with insults: peculiar...worthless...obnoxious.
Good job I’m comfortable with myself, mate. Because those words are pretty nasty.

 

[Athos]

Interesting that this many people are so angry about their little online forum being polluted by someone who doesn’t share their self-congratulatory opinions that they pile in and give it: “he’s called spanner, let’s call him a tool, lol”.

It's not that, so much as the fact you come across like a complete knob.

 

[RedRedRose]

Can we stop with the feuding and personal spats. This is a good thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

As usual you lead with insults: peculiar...worthless...obnoxious.
Good job I’m comfortable with myself, mate. Because those words are pretty nasty.

pity you're not comfortable with other people, and that's a problem on discussion boards

 

[klang]

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[Pickman's model]

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Good point well made

 

[klang]

Good point well made

it's only a small point but is worth repeating:
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[Pickman's model]

it's only a small point but is worth repeating:
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small but perfectly formed

 

[Spanner]

pity you're not comfortable with other people, and that's a problem on discussion boards

I’m very comfortable with other people. Almost all of them

 

[Spanner]

It's not that, so much as the fact you come across like a complete knob.

Complete knobbishness meaning disagreeing with — and questioning — opinions I don’t agree with?

 

[Athos]

Complete knobbishness meaning disagreeing with — and questioning — opinions I don’t agree with?

No, lots of people have managed to disagree on this thread without being knobs. What makes you a knob is how you've gone about it.

 

[Spymaster]

No, lots of people have managed to disagree on this thread without being knobs.

A lot of them are knobs too though.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m very comfortable with other people. Almost all of them

So I see

 

[TopCat]

Can she come back now Piers Morgan has quit?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can she come back now Piers Morgan has quit?

They will have to duel with archaic pistols at dawn

 

[krtek a houby]

A lot of them are knobs too though.

Knobs can be wound tight by spanners.

 

[TopCat]

Just torx it over guys.

 

[Spymaster]

Knobs can be wound tight by spanners.

Nuts

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Should we ask Sprocket. what he thinks about the latest developments on this thread?

 

[Pickman's model]

Should we ask Sprocket. what he thinks about the latest developments on this thread?

Yes, if anyone has an authoritative opinion it will be him

 

[Sprocket.]

Yes, if anyone has an authoritative opinion it will be him

My smug days regarding engineering have passed.

 

[Treacle Toes]

In a ruling on Thursday, Mr Justice Chamberlain said that the removing of their citizenship had made them stateless.

He said: "C3, C4 and C7 have persuaded us that, on the dates when the decisions and the orders in their cases were made, they were not nationals of Bangladesh or any other state apart from the UK.

"This means that orders depriving them of their British citizenship would make them stateless."
The judge added: "The secretary of state had no power to make orders with that effect.
"For that reason - and that reason alone - the appeals against the decisions to make those orders succeed."

Three British-Bangladeshis who ‘joined Isis in Syria’ win appeal against removal of UK citizenship

‘Secretary of state had no power to make orders’, judge rules

www.independent.co.uk

 

[maomao]

Three British-Bangladeshis who ‘joined Isis in Syria’ win appeal against removal of UK citizenship

‘Secretary of state had no power to make orders’, judge rules

www.independent.co.uk

Have they cleared this decision with Athos ?

 

[Spymaster]

We need to see the grounds on which the decision was made.

Begum's case was tested by the the highest court and failed.

 

[Athos]

Have they cleared this decision with Athos ?

Ironically, this decision bolsters the case against Begum. Their lawyers explicitly argued that they ceased to be Bangladeshi citizens when they reached 21, such that the decision to strip then of British citizenship after that date left them stateless (whereas Begum hadn't reached 21, and so was still a Bangladeshi citizen).

 

[Athos]

Begum's case was tested by the the highest court and failed.

It wasn't, the substantive appeal is still to be heard (the Supreme Court just decided that she's not allowed back to pursue it).

 

[Spymaster]

Ironically, this decision bolsters the case against Begum. Their lawyers explicitly argued that they ceased to be Bangladeshi citizens when they reached 21, such that the decision to strip then of British citizenship after that date left them stateless (whereas Begum hadn't reached 21, and so was still a Bangladeshi citizen).

Not the killer post someone thought it would be then.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

To those of you cheering along the Begum decision, are you not even a tiny bit ashamed of yourselves for supporting the idea that her case should be treated differently due to her extreme youth?

 

[Pickman's model]

To those of you cheering along the Begum decision, are you not even a tiny bit ashamed of yourselves for supporting the idea that her case should be treated differently due to her extreme youth?

Extreme youths are infants

Part of the issue seems to be her being an extremist youth

 

[Athos]

To those of you cheering along the Begum decision, are you not even a tiny bit ashamed of yourselves for supporting the idea that her case should be treated differently due to her extreme youth?

For the record, in case it needs saying again, I'm not "cheering along" the decision. My position remains: First, that I have a number of criticisms of this law; secondly, that this isn't my preferred outcome in this particular case; but, third, that the claims that the HS acted unlawfully/that Begum's not a Bangladeshi citizen (for the purposes of English law) advanced by some here aren't legally sound (albeit it's not impossible that her lawyers are able to advance some good arguments later, such that her substantive appeal will succeed).