Except the school was asked to warn the parents because one of their previous pupils had gone to Iraq and was grooming her friends to join her, they gave the girls letters to bring home to their parents these three girls didn't being those letters home. Instead of posting those letters directly to the parents they gave them to young children being groomed by Isis recruiters and pedophiles.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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Athos
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No, we're absolutely clear that, under Bangladeshi law, registration is not required for citizenship by desent where a parent is themselves a citizen by place of birth.
5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his 4[ father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth: [then it goes on to set out a requirement for registration only in cases where the parent is Bangladeshi by desent, rather than place of birth]
I.e. because her parents are Bangladeshis born in Bangladesh, she was Bangladeshi from birth. Whereas, her children would only have been Bangladeshi on registration (because their mother was Bangladeshi by desent, rather then by virtue of being born in Bangladesh).
It's all covered in the judgements.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I remember finding this quite useful when I first read it:
Bangladeshi or Stateless? A Practical Analysis of Shamima Begum’s Status
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think the nub of the issue is that people are mistaking law, ethics and safety .
The Supreme Court says this is lawful. Personally I feel safer knowing she is not in the UK. Nowhere do I argue that either of these is the ‘ethically right’ outcome.
But there isn’t one. I’m slightly more in favour of the rights of 15 year old women to go to shit pop concerts without being maimed or killed than to go and support a feudal apartheid Caliphate and then, a few years later when said theocracy has been bombed into a few camps, pop back, do three three years inside and then cost the public sector probably the same as a medium size secondary school English or Langauge departmrnt to monitor indefinitely. But I’m not saying that makes me a good person.
The Supreme Court says this is lawful. Personally I feel safer knowing she is not in the UK. Nowhere do I argue that either of these is the ‘ethically right’ outcome.
But there isn’t one. I’m slightly more in favour of the rights of 15 year old women to go to shit pop concerts without being maimed or killed than to go and support a feudal apartheid Caliphate and then, a few years later when said theocracy has been bombed into a few camps, pop back, do three three years inside and then cost the public sector probably the same as a medium size secondary school English or Langauge departmrnt to monitor indefinitely. But I’m not saying that makes me a good person.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
No, cos Bojo would wave you off, send your child to bed and then get one of his mistresses round to shag on your sofa after drinking all your good scotch and eating half the contents of your fridge. Then he’d try to screw you for extra pay and taxi fare for being home seven minutes after midnight...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You do know the same government that is making an example of this woman has also presided over 100,000 preventable deaths in the past year right?
But as long as you feel safe.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I reackon it will probably be closer to 150,000 preventable deaths. And they are’t gripping any long term IS solution for the camps so stacking up trouble for later. Also Bojo’s a cunt. What do any of those things have to do with this?
Also where do I say I feel safe?I say consistently I feel more safe with her there than I would here. That isnu the same thing.
Whilst you’re on why not tell us what your solution is?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Given they're often posited as the alternative I'm interested to read some stuff on the effectiveness of the de-radicalisation programs, as what I've heard from what other people have read, and the little I've read myself, is that they're not very effective at all.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
“They fucked up Covid so they should allow ISIS terrorists into the country”.
Brilliant!
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Are those the only options? No chance the Mccanns are available?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He'd read to the child from Priti Patel's book of horrors
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sadly not the knotted end
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Just have a look round at who you're agreeing with is all I ask. You're agreeing with a state run by mass murderers about who is or is not an existential threat to you.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So what would you do?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is an article about Kazakhstan. They are probably the world leaders in this wrt ISIS returnees. Too early to tell how effective this programme is going to be, but it appears a well-thought-out scheme, one that balances the need for maintaining security with the desire to help and truly change people. It makes an interesting distinction between disengagement from violence and true deradicalisation - letting go of the belief system - which is harder to achieve.
Rehabilitating the Islamic State’s Women and Children Returnees in Kazakhstan
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Thanks. What made me think about it was I was talking to a clinical psychologist who was saying that there's increasing research that shows the programs designed for pedophile rehabilitation are increasingly shown not to work, and in some instances even encourage the behaviour and enable them to do things like exchange methods of evading detection. Various suggestions as to why this might be, just thought there might be some interesting possible similarities.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You say it's too early to tell how well this programme works but you rely on a 2019 article when there's this Could Kazakhstan Efforts to Repatriate Foreign Fighters Be a Model? from a month ago (other more recent articles available)
People were talking about a need for rehabilitating women like sb seven years ago (eg Female Members of ISIS on JSTOR) so it's rather dispiriting but predictable that a considered solution to this issue hasn't been arrived at
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
An aspect of the Kazakh programme that I like is that they appear very willing to change their programme as they go. They seem to have a certain humility as they don't start off assuming they know how to do this. At the very least, that seems the right attitude to have.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Maybe your opinion might be weightier if you read articles about the scheme published this decade
Has anyone offered evidence to show she was groomed into this? It keeps getting repeated along with the insistence of conferring victim status on her.
I just don't remember all this fuss when Alex Koti had his nationality taken away. Which does seem to have been illegally done. Where as here we have a lot of handringing about this young woman and dismissal of Bangladeshi law, as not being proper in some way.
Maybe that's all part of the sexism and racism too?
I just don't remember all this fuss when Alex Koti had his nationality taken away. Which does seem to have been illegally done. Where as here we have a lot of handringing about this young woman and dismissal of Bangladeshi law, as not being proper in some way.
Maybe that's all part of the sexism and racism too?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Never mind the sexism and racism, I'm surprised by hmg's attitude on the grounds of pragmatism alone, it being better to keep an eye on sb and women in her position rather than let them sit out among daesh loons and wait for someone to find something for her to do
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm not in charge. If I was, if I was a supreme court judge or a government minister, I hope I would act in a way that made people less, rather than more likely to end up hating the society they were born in. I hope I would see such a high-profile case as an opportunity to make an example of kindness and mercy.
And I'm sure the string-her-up contingent here will find that hilarious.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
When she first appeared she was in a camp controlled and administered by Kurdish, virulently anti-IS groups in an area where IS were completely defeated. The IS people were very definitely under control - she was, as far as HMG was concerned, secure. Unfortunately, several years on and the situation has changed - IS structures have effectively taken control of the internal management of the camps, though they are still in Kurdish controlled territory, IS have very much reasserted themselves as an insurgent/terrorist group in the wider area.
HMG is pursuing a less than perfect policy because there are no perfect policies available.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Almost as if leaving a bunch of readymade IS reinforcements lying around in the care of people with little capacity to do anything with them was a shit idea or something.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Yes, much better to have them wandering the UK's streets, planning God-knows-what.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Not hilarious, just naive. The idea that these people - who cook babies alive and feed them to their mothers (women they'd already gang-raped, after beheading their sons in front of them) - would see the error of their ways from your turn-the-other-cheek example is laughable. They'd still despite you and everything for which you stand; all you'd achieve is giving them the opportunity to act on that.
Athos
Well-Known Member
It doesn't work like that. The HS has to be satisfied that deprivation of British citizenship is 'conducive to the public good' - which could cover a multitude of sins!
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yes, much better to have them wandering the UK's streets, planning God-knows-what.
Leaving them to wander the streets, as suggested by nobody.
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