Treacle Toes
Time
I think it comes down to the 'let her rot' type of justice.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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I think it comes down to the 'let her rot' type of justice.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Iraq has offered.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not ideal but better than no justice.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem especially likely, given that she never went there.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Plenty of IS prisoners captured in Syria have been transferred to Iraq by the Kurds for trial. This seems to be largely how the French dealt with their bit of the problem.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Be accurate here, Spy. You're not after justice. You're after retribution.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I'm not particularly bothered about her being punished. But I think any answering for her alleged crimes ought to take place where they were committed. The UK's focus should be on protecting British citizens (which, at one point, included her and her child).
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think motive is the only substantive difference between the two and in this case if one is done, so will be the other.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
So, would it be fair to say that Iraq has not made an offer to prosecute Begum, but they have prosecuted some other IS members, probably mostly not housewives?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’ve no idea if that would be fair to say or not. We do know that Iraq have and are, trying and executing prisoners of non-Iraqi nationality that have been held by the Kurds in Syria and we know that French and other nationals are among them. We also know that there have been reports that Iraq and the U.K. have discussed the fates of British detainees there. We don’t know what they’ve said but we do know that they haven’t tried Begum yet. We also know that the ideal outcome would be for her to be tried in either Iraq or Syria.
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
What happens if she is found not guilty?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Then she should be released, her citizenship reinstated and allowed to return to the U.K. for trial here.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
If at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Err, not quite. She’d face very different charges here to the ones over there. That’s why all the wallies want to have her tried here.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Perhaps we could simply swap Priti Patel for her
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
What have the Kurds done to deserve Patel?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Given that most, if not all, of her activities took place elsewhere those seeking to ‘bring her home’ are also seeking to free her from facing any type of trial by those who she allegedly participated in atrocities against.
Western liberalism at its finest: rights for Begum, none for the victims.
Solidarity with the Kurds? All too complicated
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
I thought the Kurds have mostly been asking govts to repatriate the people held in IS camps? Seems like on the one hand people are disgusted by what IS did to their victims, but on the other they don't give a shit when those victims request we take those people away! Solidarity indeed!!
Athos
Well-Known Member
Then she'd be released. Though it'd leave the question of where she would/could go, since the only country she'd have any legal right to enter would be Bangladesh, but they've said they won't let her in.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Can you stick a link in directing me to where the Kurds have asked for those allegedly involved in atrocities to be repatriated and absolved of responsibility for their crimes? TIA
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I suspect there are links for your first bit about repatriation but your second about absolution seems unlikely
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Seems like you don't really know what the Kurds have asked for at all.
Solidarity.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's a pretty loaded question. Smmudge is right that the Kurdish authorities have requested help and are keen on the repatriation of foreign nationals held in the camps. They're struggling to keep control and offered an amnesty to thousands of Syrians in the camps in November. They've explicitly asked for help to deal with the situation and the thousands of people that nobody knows what to do with.
More repatriation calls as killings in Syria camp for ISIS families surge | | AW
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fucking Bangladeshis. Flagrant disregard of international law leaving her stateless like that.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
At last the penny drops!Fucking Bangladeshis. Flagrant disregard of international law leaving her stateless like that.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You must be right, because I’ve waded through this thread and missed all reference to what the victims of the atrocities might want to see happen by those calling for her to be sent back to the UK.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Kurds are not one homogenous block though. What some of the Kurdish authorities in the KRG or NES might want probably has all sorts of political bargaining and manoeuvring as part of it, and I can assure you some of the Kurdish, Arabic, and other people who lived in the areas that were previously held by IS want her and others like her to face justice there.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Fortunately, our Iraqi friends offer a guarrenteed outcome - and it would be wrong to spend public money without being certain of the result.
Who knew that it would be the French who would be proven to be so effective in their outsourcing and procurement programme?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This girl and her comrades did most of their murdering raping and tortuting in north west Syria. In anti-assad arab areas and these were the primary victims. She and they ended up in PKK (not 'the kurds') controlled areas after being defeated not because they operated in those areas.
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