Athos
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The point is she's not a British citizen.
British IS schoolgirl 'wants to return home'
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maomao
普費斯
Not all. About 90%.
well, you're wrong
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Says who, and on what basis do they say it? That's the whole issue of contention, not 'the point'.
You and spymaster make for useful idiots to power, you really do.
Athos
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As things stand, the law - which is what defines citizenship - says she's not, on the basis of the Home Sec's decision. (Though, I accept that position might be reversed if she wins her appeal.)
you win this time
glad we sorted that out. what's next?
Athos
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Israel and Palestine?
Both rubbish, next?
Athos
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Brexit?
Athos
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Why? I've made it clear I don't support the decision. The only difference between you and me is that I understand the legal aspects.
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Just tell them we were joking
edit: I've been guilty of disrupting this discussion trying to be funny for which i apologise
Athos
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The TERF wars?
This is actually quite an interesting discussion so I don't want to contribute to disrupting it with crap jokes anymore. I am interested in what I was disagreeing with Spymaster over and some of the other threads running through the discussion
And plus, trans issues is an IED for middle aged people like me lol. Not falling for that one
So as someone who understands the law, do you not think that it's a bit dodgy that her family history counts against her case for citizenship?
I don't know the law, but instinctively that feels wrong to me. The law is meant to be indiscriminate and if I brought some catastrophe on myself at 15 I wouldn't expect my citizenship to save me, but if my family history was used against me I would find that unfair since it was not my mistake to have parents from a poor country
Athos
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Everyone's nationality is imposed on them by law, by virtue of the accident of parentage or geography. Typically, that confers a mixture of advantages and disadvantages.
alsoknownas
some bloke
It would be a bit weird if I was able to, considering I am arguing that they do not often do so.
this is why I could never learn law, that is meaningless. everything happens because of circumstance and free will doesn't exist, is it even so bad if Syria execute her since death is inevitable
She is not a citizen of anywhere except the UK, it shouldn't matter what she is eligible for. Technically every citizen of the UK is eligible for citizenship in pretty much every country.
Athos
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No, that's wrong. She is a Bangladeshi citizen by birth (rather than merely being eligible for citizenship).
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This comment shows precisely why you're a useful idiot to power. You're happy to see the state exercise arbitrary power towards particular people if you like the outcome of that use of arbitrary power. Not so different from the way people cheered when the state murdered people it said were IRA terrorists in the 80s.
Oh, I didn't know that I thought that she was born in England. So my immediate reaction to that is that she is kind of fucked then
My second reaction is just sadness because she did that to herself on purpose.
Athos
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She was born in England. But she's a dual national with Bangladeshi citizenship, under Bangladeshi law.
I mean, how come no one is saying this guy shouldn't have had his British nationality removed. Cos he's a bloke? Cos he was more directly involved in violence?
Alexanda Kotey - Wikipedia
This has been covered like 50 times already. She is / was British because she was born in the UK. She has Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents being born there. Something Bangladeshi law confers upon children of Bangladeshi parents automatically up to the age of 21. Though I gather they dispute this. But this is the basis her British citizenship was removed but not leaving her stateless as would be against international law.
Not sure what exactly the situation with Kotey is. Says in the wiki article he is defacto stateless now.
maomao
普費斯
I don't think he should have his nationality removed. I just don't get the chance to say that a lot because people only want to have threads about evil Isis brides.I mean, how come no one is saying this guy shouldn't have had his British nationality removed. Cos he's a bloke? Cos he was more directly involved in violence?
Alexanda Kotey - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I'm sorry, I don't follow it very closely. I may stop posting on this thread in case I affect her appeal
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You could always start one about the unfairness of stripping the citizenship of the poor, hard done by murderer.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Aye, just in case you post something that hasn’t been noted in the previous 126 pages!
Athos
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There's plenty of reasons to object to the state's actions, here. But I find it bizarre that people think the UK public should have to bear the risk of her return because of an accident of birth (her British nationality), but that it's objectionable that she should bear the risk of another accident of birth (her Bangladeshi citizenship), when that risk wouldn't have arisen but for her choice to join a gang of murdering, rapist slavers!
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