Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19

[JimW]

A long convalescence would allow him to spend more time with his various families.

 

[Pickman's model]

A long convalescence would allow him to spend more time with his various families.

will no one think of the children?

 

[little_legs]

On the day of the highest death toll so far

 

[chainsawjob]

Yep even if he is 'on the mend' I think the general idea is that it takes a really long time to actually recover, like many weeks, which is why the 'recovered' numbers are so low and why health service are so fucked by this disease, people who get the severe version seem to need help for a long time.

Yep, I was surprised by this

The latest report on patients admitted into critical care for coronavirus in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the outbreak began in February showed that only 15% of them had been discharged. A similar number had died and the rest remained in hospital.

Boris Johnson to stay in hospital amid concerns over political vacuum

PM remains in critical care as it emerges Dominic Raab has no power to make key decisions

www.theguardian.com

That's a long time in hospital for a lot of people.

 

[platinumsage]

Yep, I was surprised by this

Boris Johnson to stay in hospital amid concerns over political vacuum

PM remains in critical care as it emerges Dominic Raab has no power to make key decisions

www.theguardian.com

That's a long time in hospital for a lot of people.

Those stats refer to people who needed to be admitted to critical care. The PM however was apparently only there as a precaution following a few routine tests.

 

[Pickman's model]

Those stats refer to people who needed to be admitted to critical care. The PM however was apparently only there as a precaution following a few routine tests.

for a visit but he seems to have taken up residence there

 

[equationgirl]

He probably can't fix hospitals running out of oxygen in all fairness. One of the articles posted yesterday explained it like they usually have one or two people on oxygen at any given time, at 50l a go each out of an available 300litres. But if you suddenly have 10 people all needing oxygen at once, the supply is fucked. And it's not as simple as hiring extra tanks from BOC, because the way the system is designed means it been designed to handle 300litres a minute or whatever, the pipes can't handle more, not without the whole thing being redesigned for a larger supply.

And how many hospitals in the UK would have to have their oxygen supply system overhauled? I would guess most, and no way is that happening any time soon.

 

[Chilli.s]

Surely possible to have a back up of bottles and regulators beside individual patients beds, like in the olden days.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The question of oxygen was raised by someone from the media at yesterday’s briefing - yup, all prepared was Wankcock’s answer.

 

[equationgirl]

Surely possible to have a back up of bottles and regulators beside individual patients beds, like in the olden days.

Trouble will be in getting hold of enough for everyone across the country.

 

[Chilli.s]

Is BOC still making it or is it all imported?

 

[equationgirl]

Is BOC still making it or is it all imported?

It's been a while since I knew that answer. I would expect a certain amount of imports, I doubt the could make everything that's needed. Some industry has shut down but not everything.

 

[Pickman's model]

Trouble will be in getting hold of enough for everyone across the country.

they could just give johnson nitrogen and hand the oxygen on to someone else

 

[cupid_stunt]

I dunno, his odds are probably better than that. I read something which was apparently from a doctor on the front line in at the moment. He reckoned that not being ventilated was good but even so he'd probably be in a bad way for a few days before starting to mend. If this is true then he's got a a day or two more before the recovery starts, that is unless he gets moved to a ventilator.

The current UK chance of recovery, once you go into ICU is around 50%, dropping to under 35% if you end up on a ventilator.

His chances will be a bit higher, as he probably got moved into ICU quicker than the average person would.

 

[cupid_stunt]

On the day of the highest death toll so far

It's not the day of highest death toll so far, just the highest reported cases in a single day, they are actually catching up on deaths over the weekend, when reported cases were well down, and indeed going back a week or more.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The current UK chance of recovery, once you go into ICU is around 50%, dropping to under 35% if you end up on a ventilator.

His chances will be a bit higher, as he probably got moved into ICU quicker than the average person would.

Well this is the puzzle. He's not even on CPAP, unless they are fibbing. His continued presence in ICU is mostly certainly a medical conundrum.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

So UK's health system is

Well this is the puzzle. He's not even on CPAP, unless they are fibbing. His continued presence in ICU is mostly certainly a medical conundrum.

It's out of order if true.

 

[Cid]

More likely Robbie?

More likely it may be, but I’m pretty sure it’s not.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's out of order if true.

Well, he's already cost a bunch of lives with his uselessness. What's one more?

 

[lefteri]

The current UK chance of recovery, once you go into ICU is around 50%, dropping to under 35% if you end up on a ventilator.

His chances will be a bit higher, as he probably got moved into ICU quicker than the average person would.

someone on r4 pm said that if you’ve been in ICU more than 24 hours without needing ventilator your chances of survival average 70%

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not the day of highest death toll so far, just the highest reported cases in a single day, they are actually catching up on deaths over the weekend, when reported cases were well down, and indeed going back a week or more.

yeh the actual day by day toll will only be figured out after it's all over

 

[Pickman's model]

someone on r4 pm said that if you’ve been in ICU more than 24 hours without needing ventilator your chances of survival average 70%

per diem?

 

[little_legs]

It's not the day of highest death toll so far, just the highest reported cases in a single day, they are actually catching up on deaths over the weekend, when reported cases were well down, and indeed going back a week or more.

Agreed.

 

[lefteri]

Yes but as I’ve been off work since before this crisis began I have noticed the increase over the last month. Especially for cremation only, no service, budget funerals.
Growth industry.

probably not a coincidence receiving this today then:

i

 

[Flavour]

the longer he stays in this twilight zone the better, as it really puts the tories to the test - they won't want to be seen to be betraying Boris and saying "he's fucked, we've got to make decisions now" so they'll be saying "he'll be back any moment now!" whereas outright death would force their hand and they'd have to have the power struggle more-or-less openly, and a swift recovery would allow all the power plays to sink back far into the distant background. this way, they're really agonized. and yes, that's bad for the country, but so are all the other options. i don't see this as much worse.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

They have Rishi Sunak... Who I think most people actually have nothing really bad to say about. Apart from "he's a Tory".

He's about as Tory as Blair, he's THE ONE thing saving the Conservatives and probably the reason he did the press conference today.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They have Rishi Sunak... Who I think most people actually have nothing really bad to say about. Apart from "he's a Tory".

He's about as Tory as Blair, he's THE ONE thing saving the Conservatives and probably the reason he did the press conference today.

In the land of the fuckwits, the halfwit is king?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Gove is self isolating, a member of his family is showing symptoms.

/Sky news

Can thunderbirds puppets catch it then?

that's really poor, wasting a good chance to persuade someone of the errors of their ways

Indeed. Goes without saying that marty1 is a weapons grade bellend but if he worked with me I'd still want him in the union.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Well this is the puzzle. He's not even on CPAP, unless they are fibbing. His continued presence in ICU is mostly certainly a medical conundrum.

How do you know that?

All I've heard reported is that he's receiving oxygen & breathing himself, which is what CPAP machines do, they assist people with their own breathing, rather than take over that function completely, like a full-on ventilator does.

 

[crossthebreeze]

O/T Has anyone else noticed a rise in TV adverts for funerals?

Don't watch much TV, but have been looking for a job, and there's several job adverts for funeral workers on temporary contracts.