Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[Red Sky]

There's always someone that people have to point the finger as at having given up, as not being militant enough isn't there? I can see that's a group building thing, but...is it true? Is it accurate? Coherent? Corresponding to reality? I don't think so, and i don't think that you can if you largely agree with the piece but think they have 'given up' or abandoned the anti-rascism that motivated the formation and activity of the group. Which is what cutting off the for now' does.

I think this a classic illustration of the paranoia that lefty sectarianism breeds. Who is pointing fingers? Where have they done it?

 

[butchersapron]

I think this a classic illustration of the paranoia that lefty sectarianism breeds. Who is pointing fingers? Where have they done it?

You. Above. And in manyy other posts. And supported by the 'giving up militant anti-fascism' stuff that's appeared on here so often (see the shitty edl thread). This is precisely what cutting off the 'for now' did. it foreclosed on any response on the part of the IWCA and people supporting that approach right now and drew a line between you and your stickers and everyone else.

 

[Red Sky]

You. Above. And in manyy other posts. And supported by the 'giving up militant anti-fascism' stuff that's appeared on here so often (see the shitty edl thread). This is precisely what cutting off the 'for now' did. it foreclosed on any response on the part of the IWCA and people supporting that approach right now and drew a line between you and your stickers and everyone else.

If you actually look at the published and social media output of any of the AFN groups you will find that AFA and Red Action are celebrated not denigrated. Now is a good time to look actually 'cos everyone's on about Cable st. I've no idea why you're so keen to get offended.

 

[butchersapron]

If you actually look at the published and social media output of any of the AFN groups you will find that AFA and Red Action are celebrated not denigrated. Now is a good time to look actually 'cos everyone's on about Cable st. I've no idea why you're so keen to get offended.

Why should i have to look at the social media output of those groups to respond to your clearly sarky post that involved toy cutting off a key point your paraphrase? Ep when you just wanted to say dover. Again.

 

[Red Sky]

Why should i have to look at the social media output of those groups to respond to your clearly sarky post that involved toy cutting off a key point your paraphrase? Ep when you just wanted to say dover. Again.

Mental

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe i do have it wrong - maybe you didn't mean anything at all when you posted:

The physical struggle has been won? That's great news. What happened?

Maybe there wasn't overt sarcasm at the suggestion and an implied criticism of the analysis that might follow from that and consequent support of another approach. I don't know maybe i am just being touchy/mental/old.

 

[butchersapron]

Makes me wonder if you're posting nothing, why you're posting nothing.

 

[chilango]

Mental.

Mental

Mental

Really?

You think that's appropriate?

C'mon.

 

[chilango]

...and to address the poInt it's vital to appreciate that the main threat the far-right is posing now is primarily political rather than primarily physical. That is a very different proposition (the opposite in fact) from the AFA period and requires a different response.

Surely that's blindingly obvious?

 

[Red Sky]

...and to address the poInt it's vital to appreciate that the main threat the far-right is posing now is primarily political rather than primarily physical. That is a very different proposition (the opposite in fact) from the AFA period and requires a different response.

Surely that's blindingly obvious?

Fascism and its variants have always operated a twin track policy, both political and physical. Arguably Moseley marching in the East End was a physical response to a failure to take power politically. When the BNP failed on the streets they took to the ballot box. When that ground to a halt , nationalism reasserted itself on the streets in the form of the EDL and electorally with UKIP. Anti fascism has to adapt.

 

[Ho Chi Ming]

...nationalism reasserted itself on the streets in the form of the EDL[...] Anti fascism has to adapt.

I'm all for keeping the sport of knocking fascists on their arses alive but, really?

 

[SpackleFrog]

What ideas that I espouse?

Sorry, you're right, you don't espouse ideas, you fetishise Militant Anti Fascism and ignore everything else.

There are a dedicated handful of volk trying to get a viable fascist street movement off the ground. They are aiming at the physical control of the streets and anti fascists are aiming to disrupt that.

And if you weren't following this dedicated handful of misfits round the country do you think they would succeed?

 

[malatesta32]

With that slogan? Were they not a straight anti BNP campaign at the time?

ANL was dismantled and merged into UAF in 2003 and harried the BNP over next few years.
re: post-AFA, the date is somewhere between 2000 and 2003, with the last issue of Fighting Talk. Scots RA chum on here said that Glesgae militants were 'still doing anti-fash stuff, as and when needed.'
militants had organised No Platform then Antifa which got bogged down in legal bother and some jail time.
UAF were 1st on the EDL. it took militant AFs a while to mobilise around Anti-Fascist Network which emerged, 2010-11 (?).

 

[malatesta32]

This book is now free to download on Amazon Kindle.

is any good? its pretty big but is it soccer brag or useful antifash info?

 

[Pickman's model]

Antifa which got bogged down in legal bother and some jail time.

Yeh like the period 2004-2009 never happened.

 

[Red Sky]

Sorry, you're right, you don't espouse ideas, you fetishise Militant Anti Fascism and ignore everything else.




And if you weren't following this dedicated handful of misfits round the country do you think they would succeed?

This is a thread about anti fascism so I talk about anti fascism on it.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is a thread about anti fascism so I talk about anti fascism on it.

Yeh but urban's through the looking glass.

 

[malatesta32]

Yeh like the period 2004-2009 never happened.

ive not been able to get much info on NP or Antifa (2004-8?)as they werent organised like AFA with mags, journals etc or AFN, and certainly wouldnt want to broadcast activities. which is shit for researchers!!!

 

[malatesta32]

last weekend would imply fash are in bits.
boston, soton etc, no shows and 20 odd turn up. NF split, BNP impotent, NWI in jail, Nat Action tiny. there are still quite a few in North East England.

 

[Red About Town]

is any good? its pretty big but is it soccer brag or useful antifash info?

Terrible. Avoid.
Not the hoolie bragging book you might think either

 

[DrRingDing]

Makes me wonder if you're posting nothing, why you're posting nothing.

Forget about our beef for a second. What do you think hard working antifascists will make of that statement?

 

[DrRingDing]

....and I may well be wrong but I thouht i read the CP still went to Trafalgar Square and it was only CP members that defied orders that went to Cable Street.

 

[belboid]

hard working antifascists

 

[belboid]

....and I may well be wrong but I thouht i read the CP still went to Trafalgar Square and it was only CP members that defied orders that went to Cable Street.

You might well have read it, but the author was wrong, if so.

 

[chilango]

Forget about our beef for a second. What do you think hard working antifascists will make of that statement?

I dunno.

Are they part of hard-working families?

 

[malatesta32]

the CP had organised a rally in support of spain and had handbills printed up which were then printed over and they rallied in cable st to fight with plod, not fash. there is an image of a handbill somewhere (Hann? )

 

[SpackleFrog]

This is a thread about anti fascism so I talk about anti fascism on it.

Actually it's a thread about a book about anti-fascism. And you've been talking about Dover. Which isn't in the book.

 

[The39thStep]

the CP had organised a rally in support of spain and had handbills printed up which were then printed over and they rallied in cable st to fight with plod, not fash. there is an image of a handbill somewhere (Hann? )

THE BATTLE OF CABLE STREET

 

[The39thStep]

Short but makes some interesting points about Cable Street and its legacy.( also has a quote from a poster on here named in footnotes)
Who owns the ‘Battle of Cable Street’?

 

[eoin_k]

the CP had organised a rally in support of spain and had handbills printed up which were then printed over and they rallied in cable st to fight with plod, not fash. there is an image of a handbill somewhere (Hann? )

Joe Jacobs's Out of the Ghetto includes a CP handbill for Cable Street printed over with a rally in Hyde Park.