Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support

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Cheers Minnie This is going to be another 48 week hit this time.
No doubt they'll hassle me all the way through treatment until I kill someone, or myself. I'm considering absenting myself from the whole process, wait until the money runs out, wait until the housing benefit is stopped and I'm out on the street and then let the hospital sort it out.

If I were to take some fucker with me who should it be? Grayling or IDS?

Sorry to hear that Libertad

 

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Yes, that particularly annoyed me, having a back problem.

I'll do Osbourne, I'm sufficiently annoyed enough to have a go.

I'll hold your coat.


anyone who has ever expereinced any sort of back pain knows how debilitating it can be. thankfully mine cleared up with strengthening my back and an exceedingly loud and scary crunch.but a few weeks of having to knock back a couple of 30/500s so i dind't cry on getting out of bed in the morning gave me a good lesson in quite how lucky i am.

well, anyone with any empathy who has expereinced this. a lot of the people who moan about scroungers completely lack empathy.

 

[culder]

Well I've just watched both programmes.

They both say the sort of things that aren't going to surprise anyone here, but in 30 minutes neither of them could go far enough.

Btw - I've checked this site a few times in the last few days and got no alerts to new posts. I came here anyway because of the TV programmes, and found loads of posts I hadn't seen before. Wtf?

 

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Well I've just watched both programmes.

They both say the sort of things that aren't going to surprise anyone here, but in 30 minutes neither of them could go far enough.

Btw - I've checked this site a few times in the last few days and got no alerts to new posts. I came here anyway because of the TV programmes, and found loads of posts I hadn't seen before. Wtf?

if you visit the site and don't click on an alert for a watched thread, i think it won't give you alerts for that thread again until you visit it again.

 

[Bakunin]

would it be too demanding to ask that you try for the pair?

True, why else would a shotgun have two barrels? I suggest loading your cartridges with 5p coins for extra destructive power if you have any left over out of your pittance giro.

i'm loving how back problems has become synonomous with scrounger as well.

Ah yes, back trouble is always a euphemism for 'Well, the only thing wrong with YOUR back is that you never do any work with it.'

I'd dearly love to see them in the kind of pain I get on a pretty regular basis.

 

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need another back massage hun?

 

[Bakunin]

need another back massage hun?

It would be quite nice, sweetie, yes.

But on a more serious note, some days the only reason I'll lie in bed long after getting up is avoiding getting up until I know that it'll hurt less to move than it will to stay there. My back muscles do have a nasty tendency to lock solid either in whole or in part, and the less said about the array of crunching and crackling noises made by my joints the better. But as the DWP and ATOS have a similar bedside manner to an Army doctor ('Well, you can breathe and whinge at the same time, therefore you're battle-ready and also a malingering tosser') I'm not really surprised by the disclosures of the programmes tonight.

I sometimes wonder if the DWP would only ever want to see my name again on a death certificate so they could instantly cut off my DLA. And they'd probably expect my executors to pay the postage on that as well.

 

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well, your next of kin is your mother until i marry you.

Things i've learnt from you is that you have achieved so much more than you thought possible, once mere existance was no longer a constant fight. tske away the constant fight to survive and there's a lot of energy that could go into the sort of big society shit that the tories bleet on about, or being a decent human being and a good neighbour as anyone else would put it. or work for some people if society can adjust enough to having people who are different among them.

 

[equationgirl]

I get very little support from some of my work colleagues - I had a mild bout of pain today due to the air conditioning being in overdrive, so had to use my hot water bottle to prevent actual locking up of back. Had my fleece on as well. What annoys me about the pain is that it scrambles your brain - I can't think straight. Trying to explain that feeling to someone is nigh on impossible, people simply don't get it, for the most part.

Mind you it's the arthritic pain I dread the most, as nothing seems to touch the sides even on the cocktail I'm on, plus there's so much I can't take. Taking meds just to get up is no-one's idea of fun.

I must admit, I thought the C4 programme could have done without starting with 3 examples of people obviously lying about the extent of their conditions, I felt as though the programme makers still felt people on benefits were just liars.

 

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there's a lot who believe that. i was raised by such people. that i don't vote tory and look down on everyone else is a huge deal to them and something i'll never be forgiven for.

when i was a kid, we had a neighbour who was disabled. that he did a little light gardening on his few good days was regularly touted over the dinner table as evidence that he was a scrounging bastard. that he could barely walk between his front door and his car for the rest of the week was ignored.

i heard enough to know how these people think. they will never change their minds. any case presented as evidence they are wrong is cited by them as ' the exception that prooves the rule'. Only thing i really learnt was how to play their prejudices against them, which is why they think my 'benefit scrounger' fiancee is one of their exceptions.

 

[culder]

if you visit the site and don't click on an alert for a watched thread, i think it won't give you alerts for that thread again until you visit it again.

I'm not sure what you mean. Normally I come to the site, where I'm already logged in, and if there's been any new posts there'll be a red marker above Alerts, top right of the page. The last few days there hasn't been one - although there's one there now. Hmph.

EG - I don't think they thought we're liars, I think they needed to point out that some people are very clearly taking the piss, at the expense of the rest of us. Although I think they could've made the point that those people are messing it up for the rest of us. Ultimately, though, ATOS has a lot to answer for.

 

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[equationgirl]

There has been some problems with the alerts function recently, I believe there's a thread in the feedback forum about it.

 

[treelover]

there's a lot who believe that. i was raised by such people. that i don't vote tory and look down on everyone else is a huge deal to them and something i'll never be forgiven for.

when i was a kid, we had a neighbour who was disabled. that he did a little light gardening on his few good days was regularly touted over the dinner table as evidence that he was a scrounging bastard. that he could barely walk between his front door and his car for the rest of the week was ignored.

i heard enough to know how these people think. they will never change their minds. any case presented as evidence they are wrong is cited by them as ' the exception that prooves the rule'. Only thing i really learnt was how to play their prejudices against them, which is why they think my 'benefit scrounger' fiancee is one of their exceptions.

Yes, there will always be people like that , but overall when people are presented with the true facts, not slander, lies, misinformation, etc they usually come to a balanced judgement, the task is to ignore the sick misanthropes and win over the masses...

 

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Yes, there will always be people like that , but overall when people are presented with the true facts, not slander, lies, misinformation, etc they usually come to a balanced judgement, the task is to ignore the sick misanthropes and win over the masses...

hope ylou are right.

 

[culder]

There has been some problems with the alerts function recently, I believe there's a thread in the feedback forum about it.

Thanks, that probably explains it.

Audio - nice link!

 

[zippyRN]

Anyone know how many people on JSA dropped down dead in the same period as the EDM states 1100 people died while on ESA in the work related activities group ... ?

it's all nice and emotive chucking these figures about but how many of them died directly as a result of not being allowed to continue their IB funded life ? and how many of them died of the same things as kill their peers in work or on JSA ?

 

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do you have any direct expereince of stress causing worsening of medical or mental health problems?

 

[audiotech]

do you have any direct expereince of stress causing worsening of medical or mental health problems?

Why do you ask?

 

[audiotech]

Press Release from Black Triangle.

 

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Why do you ask?

because zippy seems completely ignorant of the reality affecting people who are tryin to claim benefits. there are a ot ov very, very sock people being told they are fit for work, and the stress of having to fight this injustice isn't making their health any better.

 

[Greebo]

<snip>it's all nice and emotive chucking these figures about but how many of them died directly as a result of not being allowed to continue their IB funded life ? and how many of them died of the same things as kill their peers in work or on JSA ?

Sweetie, I had hoped that you'd overcome your obvious cognitive impairment and empathic deficiency, but sadly not.

 

[audiotech]

because zippy seems completely ignorant of the reality affecting people who are tryin to claim benefits. there are a ot ov very, very sock people being told they are fit for work, and the stress of having to fight this injustice isn't making their health any better.

Ignore the muppet.

 

[zippyRN]

do you have any direct expereince of stress causing worsening of medical or mental health problems?

is that directed at me ? there is a somatic component to many / most conditions but it does not change the fact that there are very few people who could perform no work at all , at various times it has suited the government of the day to sign people off onto IB rather than keep them on the 'unemployed and claiming JSA' numbers .

 

[zippyRN]

Sweetie, I had hoped that you'd overcome your obvious cognitive impairment and empathic deficiency, but sadly not.

so instead of saying you don't know , and won;t try to understand the basis of the question you resort to an ad hominem ... how classy .

 

[Greebo]

so instead of saying you don't know , and won;t try to understand the basis of the question you resort to an ad hominem ... how classy .

Sweetie, your impairments are IMHO tragic, but no excuse for derailing this thread.

If you really want your question answered, kindly start your own thread.

This thread is primarily for support.

 

[zippyRN]

because zippy seems completely ignorant of the reality affecting people who are tryin to claim benefits. there are a ot ov very, very sock people being told they are fit for work, and the stress of having to fight this injustice isn't making their health any better.

The reality is that a lot of people with disabilities and long term health conditions can and do work both myself and mrs Zippy have long term conditions , be definition the majority of my patients do as well , and then there are a variety of friends and acquaintances, outside of people I have met as patients and have now become friends with , who have long term conditions or disabilities and an awful lot of them work and work full time in both the private and public sectors ... rather than putting a functional overlay on their difficulties and resorting to the sick role - whatever you think of Talcott Parsons - there are people who revel in the sick role and decide that fulfilling it shall be their purpose ...

 

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is that directed at me ? there is a somatic component to many / most conditions but it does not change the fact that there are very few people who could perform no work at all , at various times it has suited the government of the day to sign people off onto IB rather than keep them on the 'unemployed and claiming JSA' numbers .

Yes, in theory, that may be the case, but tell me who would employ someone who could to quote the Atos trainer 'have the use of one finger on one hand'. Yes they could click a mouse but they couldn't move it! More importantly, where are all these jobs going to come from and where in the UK will they be?

With the government withdrawing funding for the Remploy factories because 'the money could be better used elsewhere', do you really think that providing employment for all those that can work is true?

I don't.

 

[Greebo]

<snip>whatever you think of Talcott Parsons - there are people who revel in the sick role and decide that fulfilling it shall be their purpose ...

"Sick role" Oh perleeeze!

 

[Celt]

is there a seperate threadfor the filling in of the forms. I have been trying to fill it in, and feel like there is white noise both in my head and where I'm looking.

Yeah Yeah Zippy, we like this fucking lifestyle