equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
WouldBe has a solicitor who has worked on their behalf before. That's why I said it.
Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support
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Ah, that's good news.
equationgirl
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I'm not some internet do-gooder who recommends people get lawyers at the drop of a hat by the way.
I'm a bit confused now: I was given to believe they weren't reassesing people that had beeng in recepeit of ESA
equationgirl
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IIRC, Only those people who had not started the reassessment process before 21 Jan 2014 (I think that's the date). So if people had been sent the form by that date, they need to complete it and go through the process. If not, they're in a holding pattern for now.
scifisam
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A4E, not Atos.
So I guess that means that my 2015 reassess is not happening.
Not that I understand why they would given the OAP thing plus they are nothing to do with DLA are they?
ATOS or A4E.
equationgirl
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I would expect not at this point. The info came form a leaked DWP memo via the benefitsandwork website, so more information may appear over the next few months.
I'm not sure how this might affect your DLA in due course but that may be covered by the transition to PIP. I suspect any transition will involve some form of assessment but I do not know who does them or what form they take, or how they differ from the work capability assessments ATOS were contracted for.
Thanks.
Well, I'm not going to improve so I will just wait and see.
Tbh once I'd got the bit between my teeth when dealing with ATOS, I felt I had them.
It exhausted me and made me unwell so I don't want to have to go through it again.
equationgirl
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I really don't blame you. If there is anything at all I can do to help you if/when you get called for assessment, just PM me.
here's half an hour of some confused ATOS representative being lashed by Margaret Hodge!
WouldBe
Dislicksick
I already have a solicitor and I still have most of the 15 months DLA / ESA that was back dated
And the DWP still haven't paid all of it yet.
On a bit of a posting break atm, but just wanted to say thank y'all for the help, advice, support and crossed fingers - got my assessment results and I've been put in the support group. 'relieved' doesn't even begin to cover it.
Thanks again, and best of luck to everyone dealing with atos/the dwp x
Thanks again, and best of luck to everyone dealing with atos/the dwp x
A slight lack of confidence in ATOS
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ading-government-process-claims-sick-disabled
I'm starting to get very worried about PIPS.
I'm in the south east. The first area in the roll out
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ading-government-process-claims-sick-disabled
I'm starting to get very worried about PIPS.
I'm in the south east. The first area in the roll out
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
More details about the suspension of repeat referrals to Atos for Work Capability Assessments is now available. See attached memo.
My reading of this is that it doesn't affect new claims, conversion cases from IS/IB to ESA, or where someone reports a change in circumstances. If you're on ESA already though and haven't already been referred for reassessment, then for the time being, you should be left in peace.
My reading of this is that it doesn't affect new claims, conversion cases from IS/IB to ESA, or where someone reports a change in circumstances. If you're on ESA already though and haven't already been referred for reassessment, then for the time being, you should be left in peace.
equationgirl
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Got a letter from the Department for Brown Envelope Terror today; i have a post-Work Programme appointment on the 3rd at TheBusesDon'tRunAtThatTime o'clock.
I know there are many many people way worse off than I, but the thought of stepping back into that place - the JC - really makes me feel quite sick. I don't think there's any getting out of it; being on ESA (in the WRAG - I knew this was coming) won't make any difference.
The worst part is that you are compelled under the usual threats to meet with someoen with no expertise in mental health, yet whom you must see and be 'helped' by. It's like being told 'we're out of medicine, so you'll have to drink this bottle of arsenic instead if you want to get better'.
I know there are many many people way worse off than I, but the thought of stepping back into that place - the JC - really makes me feel quite sick. I don't think there's any getting out of it; being on ESA (in the WRAG - I knew this was coming) won't make any difference.
The worst part is that you are compelled under the usual threats to meet with someoen with no expertise in mental health, yet whom you must see and be 'helped' by. It's like being told 'we're out of medicine, so you'll have to drink this bottle of arsenic instead if you want to get better'.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
If you are stuck with this, I wonder what the game-playing potential might be?
For example, YOU know and WE know that this person will have no expertise in mental health, but supposing you go in there with a list of questions about your mental condition as long as your arm, and keep asking them about them and how they think you would best be able to get around them in terms of finding work. Be sure to take copious notes, and take their answers very seriously - ask lots of followup questions, and treat them as you might a psychiatrist or senior mental health practitioner.
My guess is, if you push it hard enough, that even if they start out bullshitting, the increasing depth of your questioning should push them further and further into uneasiness...who knows, they may actually decide you shouldn't be in WRAG? (OK, that's my inner optimist coming out there
)Perhaps someone else has tried this approach and can offer some views...?
It's an interesting idea; I can certainly bring the letter confirming my appointment with an actual Psychologist. That might bamboozle him, though I'm not sure what that achieves. For all I know they could put me on the workfare. I don't think ESA WRAG people are exempt (is anyone?)If you are stuck with this, I wonder what the game-playing potential might be?
For example, YOU know and WE know that this person will have no expertise in mental health, but supposing you go in there with a list of questions about your mental condition as long as your arm, and keep asking them about them and how they think you would best be able to get around them in terms of finding work. Be sure to take copious notes, and take their answers very seriously - ask lots of followup questions, and treat them as you might a psychiatrist or senior mental health practitioner.
My guess is, if you push it hard enough, that even if they start out bullshitting, the increasing depth of your questioning should push them further and further into uneasiness...who knows, they may actually decide you shouldn't be in WRAG? (OK, that's my inner optimist coming out there
Perhaps someone else has tried this approach and can offer some views...?
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I had my 1st WRAG interview the other week. I was given 3 websites to look at supposedly once a week to 'keep up to date with the local job market'. That's it. I explained that I can't do a whole day of anything due to the brain injury/crap energy levels and the lady did say several times they are not expecting me to look for work at all.
equationgirl
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That's quite positive geminisnake. Sounds like your local advisor appreciates your situation and is also aware that you're in an area where there isn't much of a local job market. If only all advisors were as sensible.
Maybe that'sll be the case for me.
It's the uncertainty and the not knowing what will happen that's the worst part for me. I can't function like that.
Not that this sytem can deal with such trivial matters as mental health/learning disabilities/autism spectrum type stuff.
Apparently I have a 'personal adviser', his name's Brian. I'm inclined to think he's not the messiah.
I've been told those on ESA WRAG have no end date to their work programme participation?
Can anyone else verify this? Comments?
Can anyone else verify this? Comments?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
you can only be placed with a work programme provider for maximum of 2 years as far as i know.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
This seems pretty obvious to me but just wanna make sure by asking people on here. PiP is basically ESA part 2 right? In terms of it being a massive pain in the arse to fill the form out I mean.
equationgirl
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PIP is replacing DLA. The forms will be similar but probably not identical. And at least as massive a pain in the arse.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Haven't done DLA, I'm doing this for my friend again. The types of questions it asks and the way the work and benefits guide talks about them it seems to be the exact same level of head fuckery as doing ESA was.
equationgirl
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We'll do our best to help, tell him to post whenever he wants
Thanks equationgirl.We'll do our best to help, tell him to post whenever he wants
You were mentioned in despatches.
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