Anti austerity march...urb meet up?

[Mr.Bishie]

why 4?

No idea mate. Not seen them like that before either. They usually have a dish. Military type listening devices?

 

[Pickman's model]

No idea mate. Not seen them like that before either. They usually have a dish. Military type listening devices?

it also seems odd to have them pointing horizontally rather than a bit down

 

[chemn]

I don't think they are microphones but can't offer an alternative suggestion.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

A bit odd all round.

 

[brogdale]

hydro://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/20/exclusive-imagesvideo-londons-huge-endtheausterity-march/

Proper arsehole, whoever writes the comments under the pics there.

"He likes free things and wants more", underneath a photo of a man protesting lack of social housing...Wanker.

Good point. Good selection of images, though!

 

[newbie]

This was posted on twitter earlier, positioned on a roof over looking Parliament Sq -

Parabolic microphones?

no, tht's a dustbin lid with a microphone pointing into it.

possibly HD picture links

http://broadcastrf.com/fixed-camera-links/
they're directional, they point horizontally, what at?

 

[Guineveretoo]

oh yeh. by the political position you mean the universal view that tories = cunts, as so many placards said. or as the swp said, tories are filth. while not wishing to disociate myself from that view, it is unlikely to lead the current administration to change its flagship policy. the labour party's pro-austerity. there is no clear end to austerity, it's there for the foreseeable. i wonder what position you'll take when windows are broken this summer or next.

Why have you decided that I am the enemy because I am celebrating the fact that quarter of a million people marched yesterday under the banner of anti-austerity?

 

[Guineveretoo]

you seem to think we're all in this together despite the evidence from the past five years that austerity provides great business opportunities for some. and given the negligible effect larger peaceful marches have had eg against iraq war or for fox hunting, it shpuld be viewed more as a fun day out than action likely to lead to a change in govt policy.

I didn't say "we are all in this together". As a disabled, ill, unemployed trade unionist who relies on benefits, I am completely in the sights of the Tory filth, so I have strong personal views and reasons why I want to see a large protest march and why I celebrate the fact that hundreds of thousands of people came out to indicate their disapproval.

Peaceful protest has its place. Its place was yesterday.

I welcome the fact that the press cannot focus on a minority action, and to condemn those people, but are having to accept and acknowledge that a lot of people do not agree with the austerity policy of this government.

 

[peterkro]

I am really glad they were there!

And, as I say, I think the fact that so many of the marchers were not just obeying their union by being there, is one of the things which strengthens the message.

I saw the Woodcraft folk as well,near the end of the march,nice big banner,loud and having a lot of fun.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why have you decided that I am the enemy because I am celebrating the fact that quarter of a million people marched yesterday under the banner of anti-austerity?

believe me i would be treating you very differently if i thought were the enemy

 

[treelover]

The main reason that there were fewer union banners and people around, is that this march was organised by a group outside of the trade union movement. That's also what makes it so fantastic that they got so many people there and made it genuinely "grassroots".

In that respect, it should make the politicians sit up a bit - it's not just trade union "barons" stirring up trouble for the sake of it... Etc.

Also, the fact of little or no vandalism it broken windows is important. This was a march against a political policy -austerity - and attacking Starbucks or other big business detracts from that.

I think it was fantastic and I hope that the unions, campaign groups and everyone else involved in fights to defend us against the consequences of austerity will remind politicians of the strength of feeling demonstrated by such a good turn out of "ordinary" people.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-welfare-cuts-despite-anti-austerity-protests

Osborne's and Smith's response, the 12 billion of welfare cuts will go ahead, they are relishing it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't say "we are all in this together". As a disabled, ill, unemployed trade unionist who relies on benefits, I am completely in the sights of the Tory filth, so I have strong personal views and reasons why I want to see a large protest march and why I celebrate the fact that hundreds of thousands of people came out to indicate their disapproval.

Peaceful protest has its place. Its place was yesterday.

I welcome the fact that the press cannot focus on a minority action, and to condemn those people, but are having to accept and acknowledge that a lot of people do not agree with the austerity policy of this government.

i didn't say you did say it. what i wonder about is your artificial separation of the political and the commercial. it doesn't matter to the govt how many people disagree with their policies and it express it by processing through london. it matters more if people take effective direct action to resist austerity.

 

[treelover]

A small point but what about when big businesses like Starbucks (They might have paid back some of what they owe but I'm sure there are others that haven't) fail to pay their taxes and then don't get hammered for it by the government? I fully see the point in smashing windows of establishments like this. I understand why people would damage property to show their anger.

I'm really surprised that out of 250,000++ people there really wasn't any trouble. I doubt the police could be that efficient to have nipped things in the bud before anything kicked off.

Frequently they people who do the 'smashing' aren't the ones suffering and often disappear from the struggle a couple of years later, leaving the marginalised to continue.

 

[brogdale]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-welfare-cuts-despite-anti-austerity-protests

Osborne's and Smith's response, the 12 billion of welfare cuts will go ahead, they are relishing it.

Reported like that's somehow...."news"

 

[brogdale]

Frequently they people who do the 'smashing' aren't the ones suffering and often disappear from the struggle a couple of years later, leaving the marginalised to continue.

A little judge mental, no?

 

[treelover]

Apt.

 

[treelover]

A little judge mental, no?

from experience,


btw, in terms of the peaceful protests, have a look at social media to see how upset the right are there was no black bloc smashing it up.

 

[Pickman's model]

from experience,


btw, in terms of the peaceful protests, have a look at social media to see how upset the right are there was no black bloc smashing it up.

it is a pity there was no right there to smash up

 

[Pickman's model]

Frequently they people who do the 'smashing' aren't the ones suffering and often disappear from the struggle a couple of years later, leaving the marginalised to continue.

another treelover fact

 

[Guineveretoo]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-welfare-cuts-despite-anti-austerity-protests

Osborne's and Smith's response, the 12 billion of welfare cuts will go ahead, they are relishing it.

That's not their response - they had decided that before the march started.

All of us, whether in positions to negotiate directly or not, should now be using the fact that 250,000 mostly non-activists marched peacefully in objection to the austerity plans.

Or, we can just sit around on a bulletin board, arguing with each other about whether there is any value to demonstration, while the Tory cunts continue.

 

[Guineveretoo]

i didn't say you did say it. what i wonder about is your artificial separation of the political and the commercial. it doesn't matter to the govt how many people disagree with their policies and it express it by processing through london. it matters more if people take effective direct action to resist austerity.

Yesterday's march was what separated it, not me.

It had aims, and those were political aims, and they were not commercial aims, and they were not seeking to attack big business.

And it does matter to the politicians if people demonstrate, particularly if the demonstrations are peaceful and can't be dismissed as the actions of a minority of troublemakers. It may not effect change overnight, and it may not stop the welfare cuts, but it has given them pause for thought, and it has also given lots of tourists and newspaper readers pause for thought, too.

 

[Orang Utan]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-welfare-cuts-despite-anti-austerity-protests

Osborne's and Smith's response, the 12 billion of welfare cuts will go ahead, they are relishing it.

Fucking ell, treelover - are you for real? You sound like a proper wally

 

[Orang Utan]

Frequently they people who do the 'smashing' aren't the ones suffering and often disappear from the struggle a couple of years later, leaving the marginalised to continue.

Bollocks. There are plenty of masked up posh students wearing black, but they tend to melt away at the first sign of trouble.

 

[treelover]

Fucking ell, treelover - are you for real? You sound like a proper wally

abuse my dear, is that all, I meant that they had a response prepared, of course they were going ahead, but it shows how they are going to proceed.

 

[Fingers]

A fair writeup in the Indie

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-sell-off-schools-and-hospitals-10333774.html

meanwhile these snivelling Tory licking c***s.....

 

[Guineveretoo]

Bollocks. There are plenty of masked up posh students wearing black, but they tend to melt away at the first sign of trouble.

But isn't it true that, apart from the riots the other year, the Class War and other people who are smashing windows in protest against big business or whatever, are doing so out of some pure, political position, rather than because they are long term unemployed, or disabled people affected by the bedroom tax, or single parents without any childcare or whatever?

I think that was the point being made.

 

[Guineveretoo]

A fair writeup in the Indie

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-sell-off-schools-and-hospitals-10333774.html

meanwhile these snivelling Tory licking c***s.....

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Does anyone on these boards really give a fuck what the Daily Mail says?

In fact, I think Russell Brand is a wanker, and that he has no place on a political platform, but not because he is a millionaire.

 

[butchersapron]

Yesterday's march was what separated it, not me.

It had aims, and those were political aims, and they were not commercial aims, and they were not seeking to attack big business.

And it does matter to the politicians if people demonstrate, particularly if the demonstrations are peaceful and can't be dismissed as the actions of a minority of troublemakers. It may not effect change overnight, and it may not stop the welfare cuts, but it has given them pause for thought, and it has also given lots of tourists and newspaper readers pause for thought, too.

It hasn't given them a single seconds moment of pause for thought. Which is not to denigrate any of the demonstrators or their motivations. The idea that this is how things really work (demo, politicians fall into line) is dangerous disarming nonsense. If f15 didn't push that home, i don't know what could.

 

[Guineveretoo]

It hasn't given them a single seconds moment of pause for thought. Which is not to denigrate any of the demonstrators or their motivations. The idea that this is how things really work (demo, politicians fall into line) is dangerous disarming nonsense. If f15 didn't push that home, i don't know what could.

Yeah, well, as ever, we can agree to differ on this. There is no point in me trying to engage with you, so I won't.

Oh, I see you have edited your original post.

Note that I didn't say, nor do I believe, that politicians "fall into line".

I am not as naive as you think, or as you pretend to think.

 

[Orang Utan]

Some people don't seem to understand why people demonstrate. It is rare that any demonstrators in the UK hope that their protest will facilitate real change. People wish to register their dissatisfaction all the same, to demonstrate. Also, a large show of solidarity amongst disparate groups makes us all feel more confident and able to take on the coming challenges with more vigour.