Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[andysays]

whatever her faults and they are legion, on Newsnight, I thought she did a good job, whether she was the right person to be on the panel, is another matter...

Surely this is actually the heart of the matter.

Laurie and her ilk (Owen Jones, etc, add your own fucking list) are now the default people to get on Newsnight, Today, whatever to represent "the left", "the young", anyone concerned about the way society is going.

Whatever she thinks her job is, however good a performance you or I or anyone else thinks she puts on any given occasion, her real job is to displace anyone who might actually make a real, radical critique for the viewers/listeners at home.

 

[Idris2002]

Surely this is actually the heart of the matter.

Laurie and her ilk (Owen Jones, etc, add your own fucking list) are now the default people to get on Newsnight, Today, whatever to represent "the left", "the young", anyone concerned about the way society is going.

Whatever she thinks her job is, however good a performance you or I or anyone else thinks she puts on any given occasion, her real job is to displace anyone who might actually make a real, radical critique for the viewers/listeners at home.

Whereas the other side do get credible fighters who fight the corner for their ideology.

 

[butchersapron]

Whereas the other side do get credible fighters who fight the corner for their ideology.

But not as ideology. Which is the trick. And it's not one that laurie has played on her - she fits the role that she is supposed to - posh ideological shouty. They couldn't invent her.

 

[andysays]

But not as ideology. Which is the trick. And it's not one that laurie has played on her - she fits the role that she is supposed to - posh ideological shouty. They couldn't invent her.

Convenient that they don't have to, but it's not her as LP that really matters (despite what she seems to think). If she fell under a bus tomorrow someone else would be found who would fit the role just as well.

 

[butchersapron]

They didn't before. She has some agency here.

 

[J Ed]

Convenient that they don't have to, but it's not her as LP that really matters (despite what she seems to think). If she fell under a bus tomorrow someone else would be found who would fit the role just as well.

I agree, go into any student union in the country and look at people involved in student politics. One, two, three many Laurie Pennies!

 

[cesare]

I agree, go into any student union in the country and look at people involved in student politics. One, two, three many Laurie Pennies!

How long does that last once outside the unis though? Mind you, LP might be trailblazing a way of monetizing student politics

 

[Firky]

I saw her last night and she was quite forgettable. She seemed out of depth.

 

[J Ed]

How long does that last once outside the unis though?

This is the new normal for a lot of people, when I caught someone out at my student union over lying about something during his campaign he wasn't nearly as bothered about being caught out lying as he was about the damage I was doing to his personal image by showing that he was a liar on the internet. Other people on the thread have wrote about how at private schools now they tell you to build your personal brand through social media in much the same way as Laurie Penny has done.

It's all me me fucking me. I find it obnoxious and I'm suspicious of people it comes easily to, makes me want to run into the woods and be a hobbit.

 

[J Ed]

I saw her last night and she was quite forgettable. She seemed out of depth.

What better way to demonstrate why the spectrum of acceptable debate doesn't include people who challenge neoliberalism? Has anyone ever done a British version of Manufacturing Consent? I suppose no one really needs to, it's so obvious.

 

[Ole]

Laura's not the worse, anyone see that hipster ring wing Libertarian on QT last night?, arguing "the state must get out of people lives"

Her? She made my fucking blood boil, and I only heard her speak twice. With David Willetts next to her playing the 'prudent moderate', I had to switch off after 15 minutes for my health.

 

[J Ed]

All of them (Steel excepted) talking about Snowden made me so angry. They should all be forced to have CCTV cameras in every room of their house viewable by any member of the public.

 

[Tom A]

All of them (Steel excepted) talking about Snowden made me so angry. They should all be forced to have CCTV cameras in every room of their house viewable by any member of the public.

But you just know that Laurie Penny would just loooooooooove to go on Big Brother, it temporarily slake her lust for publicity.

 

[DaveCinzano]

But you just know that Laurie Penny would just loooooooooove to go on Big Brother, it temporarily slake her lust for publicity.

 

[Tom A]

There's something of The Young Ones about her in that picture.

 

[butchersapron]

I did like what a waster.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There's something of The Young Ones about her in that picture.

During the year, Kat was successful in gaining a position with the City of Belmont that allowed her to continue her important role in the community but at a middle manager’s level. Kate believes local government is one of the best ways forward for engaging and resourcing the most marginalised people in the community.

 

[sihhi]

Odd image - privilege and power are like a seesaw??
Anyone want to have a stab at it?

 

[JimW]

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Odd image - privilege and power are like a seesaw??
Anyone want to have a stab at it?

In the radical playground, when it's not swings and roundabouts it's the precarious balance of the forces of oppression. or something.

 

[butchersapron]

Define-enforce-maintain

Gives the game away.

 

[DaveCinzano]

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Odd image - privilege and power are like a seesaw??
Anyone want to have a stab at it?

 

[Tom A]

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[frogwoman]

Not sure where this goes in the intersectional analysis of Father Ted

 

[Tom A]

 

[frogwoman]

The fuck, how are those items on the chart related, it's just putting random words together.

 

[Tom A]

The fuck, how are those items on the chart related, it's just putting random words together.

You do know what this is from, don't you?

E2A: Note how "human version of events" is highlighted in red, because humans are just that important. Speciesist bastards

 

[frogwoman]

You do know what this is from, don't you?

I think you need to check your knowing the origin of daft intersectional charts privilege.

 

[frogwoman]

You do know what this is from, don't you?

no

 

[Tom A]

no

Now... how should I break this to you? I know... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=brass+eye+site:youtube.com

 

[Spanky Longhorn]