Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[equationgirl]

It might be ironic racism. Everything's OK if you do it ironically.

How silly of me, I should have realised.

 

[imposs1904]

Remember the gallery where MC placed pornographic star Stoya topless into a bath? Dissent Magazine held a discussion there for its BeLabored issue.

From the same event. I wonder why Doug Henwood's looking so grumpy?

 

[imposs1904]

You can tell that older bloke behind her only slipped in for the free wine. I'd go if I knew there was free wine.

that's doug henwood.

 

[imposs1904]

PS - anyone know which airline Laurie uses? I'd love to be to afford to travel from Britain to the States and back four or five times a year.

 

[imposs1904]

Oh. Never heard of him. Or any of the others until this thread started.

I think I might have seen Laurie on Newsnight once but I forgot about her when I switched channels.

His podcasts are worth a listen. There's probably a link to them on the link already provided.

 

[love detective]

I thought it was Harold Bishop from Neighbours

 

[ViolentPanda]

In fact, the whole of society looks a bit ironic these days. Even some of the government look like geeky students and so does the leader of the opposition.

Tattoos and other forms of self-mutilation are big business. Teenagers of all social classes and ethnic backgrounds talk in a ridiculous made-up patwah like Ali G without the wit or intelligence. It's all like a caricature of 1968.

Back again?

 

[treelover]

a self-desrcibed "crypto-anarchist" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

That man should be put in jail, its horrendous he is putting the plans for the 3d made gun on the net, it will be untraceable and will be used in many murders, etc.

 

[andysays]

PS - anyone know which airline Laurie uses? I'd love to be to afford to travel from Britain to the States and back four or five times a year.

Tax-deductable Expenses Airways?

 

[andysays]

When Laurie calls herself a revolutionary socialist, what does she mean? Listening to her, I can't tell.

It means she's going round in circles, possibly also a reference to her clocking up enough airmiles to orbit the earth...

 

[Rob Ray]

Edit nm already done above.

 

[Jim Pooley]

So it seems the SWp has been doubly unlucky, since a new big broad left event has been set up just at the time that their brand has become toxic to lots of big name speakers?

 

[Frances Lengel]

Back again?

Grass.

 

[andysays]

Back again?

So, who was that who burned so briefly, or is it bad form to ask?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Same person it always is.

 

[andysays]

Same person it always is.

Sorry, I'm none the wiser

 

[tufty79]

Grass.

Ffs. Grow up.

 

[rekil]

Daniel Trilling Guardian article on Greece which, um, kinda contradicts Laura's analysis in Discordia.

We came here expecting riots. Instead we found ourselves looking at what happens when riots die away and horrified inertia sets in

Yet while journalists understandably want to draw attention to the threat Golden Dawn poses, every piece of sensationalist media coverage reinforces the party's deliberately crafted image. The violence it inspires is real enough, but Golden Dawn is far from being in a position of power. Its activist base remains small; it can not mobilise supporters in large numbers; and its rallies often take place unannounced, so that anti-fascist activists do not have time to gather and chase its members off the streets.

The food handouts, staged mainly for the benefit of the media, pale in comparison with the network of solidarity initiatives like the "potato movement" – markets that allow farmers to sell their produce directly to customers, at around 30% less than supermarket prices – or volunteer-run medical clinics, or free after-school tuition for children, that are helping Greek people cope with the impact of mass unemployment and falling salaries.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Grass.

Nope, if I were a grass, I'd have named him and contacted the mods, you mug cunt.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So, who was that who burned so briefly, or is it bad form to ask?

LLETSA, late of this parish.
Basically, anyone who starts banging on about tattoos being body mutilation, and it's evens that it's LLETSA trying to creep back from his ban.

 

[andysays]

LLETSA, late of this parish.
Basically, anyone who starts banging on about tattoos being body mutilation, and it's evens that it's LLETSA trying to creep back from his ban.

Thanks. I think I've seen that name before, but he apparently pre-dates my time here.

 

[redsquirrel]

It's Luke Haines and Cathal Coughlan havin a laff. (of sorts)

Cathal Coughlan.

Spoiler

Luke Haines.

Spoiler

Top album

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's my first time hearing it too and part of it sounds like a Star Trek convention but it purposefully mangles history.

The problem is that "steampunk" can mean a lot of different things. At one level it can refer to counter-historical pieces like Gibson & Sterling's The Difference Engine, which deal with what the world might look like if certain technologies had been more advanced at periods of history - in the case there, that Babbage's Engine had worked, giving computing power to the British Empire (the general conclusion being that they would have hammered foreigners with computerised artillery, created a consumerist culture with advanced industrialisation and used it to keep track of dissidents by the secret service). Or it is often satire of modern politics by reference to the imperial past. Or it could be a particular facet of industrial chic, basically without meaning, dressing up in a corset and skirt but wearing a hat with cogs on it. Or it could be lazily reproducing Verne and Wells and pretending that's new. Or it could be an actively reactionary movement which approves of technological progress but would like to see nice clear stereotypical Victorian social distinctions on top of that. Or lots of things.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Nope, if I were a grass, I'd have named him and contacted the mods, you mug cunt.

Easy there big guy - I was only messin.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Ffs. Grow up.

Up ya mam.

 

[tufty79]

Up ya mam.

Rather you than me

Edit: sorry Frances, you caught my bank holiday Monday snappy bit.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Rather you than me

Edit: sorry Frances, you caught my bank holiday Monday snappy bit.

No worries

You didn't need to apologise though, it's all just part of the badinage.

 

[_angel_]

Back again?

took you a long time grandad

 

[ViolentPanda]

took you a long time grandad

You know how Pickman's Model is always trotting out his little proverb about how it's "better to stay silent and be thought a fool..."?

Take note, eh?

 

[Jim Pooley]

The problem is that "steampunk" can mean a lot of different things.

But in no version does it mean shoehorning the Levellers into the Victorian era, which seems to be sihi's quibble.

Of course Lutcher Arkwright encountered some legacies of the Civil War in what was arguably a steampunk story...