Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[chilango]

I suspect they don't really care.

They think they don't. But when this done they will, oh they will....

...the ego is a fragile thing.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Laurie Penny steps in to defend Malcolm Harris whilst still maintaining she's better than us.

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/328678224643108867

He'll be wondering why she got the acronym for "Women of Color" wrong

 

[andysays]

Much as I'm enjoying the show, I have to admit that I missed some key information from the start of this episode: Why do we hate this Malcolm dude in the first place? Can someone give me the Cliff Notes version? Isn't he just some guy who puts out a minor social democratic magazine?

Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Laurie Penny steps in to defend Malcolm Harris whilst still maintaining she's better than us.

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/328678224643108867

Why does she feel the need to defend him? Doesnt she know he's not bovvered? Reads more like she's trying to persuade convince herself not him.

If I could be arsed and I wasn't on my phone I'd gather up the dodgy homophobia and misogyny apologist quotes sihhi found and quote them next to that tweet.

This says all you need to know about Laurie and what her 'principals' really mean.

Double standards.

Let's look at a contrast. Class based critique of liberal state multiculturalism by the iwca is racist. Even tweeting it is enough to be denounced as such. When there's nothing remotely racist about it. And she won't withdraw the accusation, even when she knows it to be untrue, until she's threatened with legal action.

Someone writes a load of homophobia and misogyny apologetics and writes stuff about little girls and he gets defended from the nasty urbanites.

Difficult not to come to the conclusion that since he's well connected and mixes in the same circles, comes from a similar background, she must defend him. We're just smelly proles who don't even have a column so its fine to slander us to deflect criticism.

I reckon shes very class conscious. Just not in the way shed like us to think.

 

[weepiper]

For someone who claims to be a feminist she's awful quick to jump into the prescribed female 'just leave it babe, they're not worth it' role.

 

[rioted]

A group of working class women was stood on the pavement witnessing the march, and through their mockery were defining themselves outside of what it represented, laughing among themselves and saying the marchers weren't workers but a load of hippies.

Just proves you get ignorant bigots everywhere. Even among the working class!

 

[butchersapron]

Is this US stuff like a modern day grand tour for the sons and daughters of privilege? Now we learn:

Americans – they're just a lot more poetic

(note: not a go at this other laura, beyond being from an aristocratic/gentry family and very expensive school i know nothing of her, just noting the possibility of a common theme here)

 

[Favelado]

I'm not blocked from The New Inquiry's main account. Sent some music.

 

[seventh bullet]

Just proves you get ignorant bigots everywhere. Even among the working class!

To me it proves just how irrelevant 'the left' has become to ordinary working class people. Me and most of the people I know included.

 

[where to]

Has Laurie Penny shown any evidence of a sense of humour yet?

 

[emanymton]

Why does she feel the need to defend him? Doesnt she know he's not bovvered? Reads more like she's trying to persuade convince herself not him.

If I could be arsed and I wasn't on my phone I'd gather up the dodgy homophobia and misogyny apologist quotes sihhi found and quote them next to that tweet.

This says all you need to know about Laurie and what her 'principals' really mean.

Double standards.

Let's look at a contrast. Class based critique of liberal state multiculturalism by the iwca is racist. Even tweeting it is enough to be denounced as such. When there's nothing remotely racist about it. And she won't withdraw the accusation, even when she knows it to be untrue, until she's threatened with legal action.

Someone writes a load of homophobia and misogyny apologetics and writes stuff about little girls and he gets defended from the nasty urbanites.

Difficult not to come to the conclusion that since he's well connected and mixes in the same circles, comes from a similar background, she must defend him. We're just smelly proles who don't even have a column so its fine to slander us to deflect criticism.

I reckon shes very class conscious. Just not in the way shed like us to think.

I used to think she at least had some decent feminist principles, but by associating herself with Molly, poor women should just monetise their hotness, Crabapple and Malcolm, I wanted to shag Ema Watson even before she had breasts, Harris she loses any feminist credibility she had. She is about as feminist as Hugh Hefner. Which just makes it even more laughable when she accuses people on here of misogyny, when every poster on this thread, well almost everyone, has a better understanding of what it is to be a feminist than she will ever have.

 

[rekil]

how's this for some fancy lurkin'

 

[8ball]

<waves at Officer Carstairs>

 

[J Ed]

<waves at Officer Carstairs>

Reckon he's Penny's handler?

 

[frogwoman]

hello malcolm.

 

[Carstairs]

how's this for some fancy lurkin'

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Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just an everyday average lurker. I chose the name because it was funny and stuff. (Sending a PM to Frogwoman to confirm as she knows me from elsewhere).

 

[Idris2002]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just an everyday average lurker. I chose the name because it was funny and stuff. (Sending a PM to Frogwoman to confirm as she knows me from elsewhere).

 

[chilango]

Is there any chance of "compiling the list" in an easy access form?

e.g.

Laurie Penny The New Statesman, twitter. Privately educated, plagiarising, lying parasite. called Urban racist and misogynist
Molly Crabapple artworld, twitter. "monetize your hotness", parasite.
Malcolm Harris New Inquiry, #OWS, twitter. $5000 to talk about #OWS, parasite, sleaze/borderline nonce.
Owen Jones The Independent. Nice lad but waay to close to bubble commentariat. Dresses Labour apologism in "lefty Boy next door" guise.
Johann Hari The Independent. Plagiarist and liar.

and so on. Nice hyperlinks to tiwtter feed, main crimes, main media outlets etc. Kept in a single, regularly bumped post?

It's make life easier.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just an everyday average lurker. I chose the name because it was funny and stuff. (Sending a PM to Frogwoman to confirm as she knows me from elsewhere).

Just remember who gave you your first Like

 

[Idris2002]

Is there any chance of "compiling the list" in an easy access form?

e.g.

Laurie Penny The New Statesman, twitter. Privately educated, plagiarising, lying parasite. called Urban racist and misogynist
Molly Crabapple artworld, twitter. "monetize your hotness", parasite.
Malcolm Harris New Inquiry, #OWS, twitter. $5000 to talk about #OWS, parasite, sleaze/borderline nonce.
Owen Jones The Independent. Nice lad but waay to close to bubble commentariat. Dresses Labour apologism in "lefty Boy next door" guise.
Johann Hari The Independent. Plagiarist and liar.

and so on. Nice hyperlinks to tiwtter feed, main crimes, main media outlets etc. Kept in a single, regularly bumped post?

It's make life easier.

I favour an e-book exposing the whole rotten crowd, but titled Pants on Fire: The Laurie Penny Papers

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker

Junker was the term for Prussian Aristocracy before WWII. Their land was redistributed by the Communists. Hitler didn't love the junkers as such though, he pretty much ignored them.

While he ignored the Junkers as a stratum of the upper class, he certainly cultivated elements of the stratum, especially those in the military.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would also argue that making creepy remarks like "keeping your daughters off the cam is like keeping them off the pole" and quoting approvingly from Hakim Bey and the like is pretty much the exact opposite of progressive.

The problem with wankers like Harris, is that it's hard to tell whether they're noncey, or they're just being clever-clever "transgressive".

Personally, I'd burn Monkey Harris as a nonce, but that could be my irrational hatred of utter twats coming to the fore.

 

[JimW]

On-U to provide soundtrack:

 

[Idris2002]

Almost no would-be working class activists would ever come across these people though. It's almost impossible to do so without searching for them on the web or coming to this thread. How many working class people are likely to do either?

If a working class movement is ever to re-emerge, it will do so without any reference to Laurie, Molly or any of the other fairly amusing and wholly harmless children at play featured here.

That's remarkably optimistic by your standards. . .

 

[Favelado]

No you wouldn't. You'll never do anything but moan about them on here. Ever.

Hi there!

 

[Idris2002]

Hi there!

Yes, hi there indeed!

 

[killer b]

he claims not to have made any money from OWS, so i guess people aren't.

 

[JimW]

That people are daft enough to pay him ought to tell us something.

All we need to do now is get you and LP on this thread at the same time and the plan will have worked. Talk some sense in to her, lad.

 

[J Ed]

he claims not to have made any money from OWS, so i guess people aren't.

Remember that he proudly defends dishonesty.

 

[killer b]

i can believe that one tbf.