Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Why immediately think everyone is wanking over you and your mates? That seems an odd thing to come to mind on a thread about political criticisms.
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Why immediately think everyone is wanking over you and your mates? That seems an odd thing to come to mind on a thread about political criticisms.
No, that was posted two hours ago so around 6pm. If you look at the screenshot I posted the time is 1pm. That is someone pretending to be me.
Anyone want to own up?
SpineyNorman
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To be fair to Laurie articul8 probably was. Maybe she walked into the Red Pepper office when he was on his vinegars?
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
In fairness it could have been anyone who's read bits of this thread.
Christ, I read all the comments. She's getting a bit of a pasting. Can't be pleasant for the lass to be mocked and receive so much criticism; probably why she turned up here full of piss and vinegar.
Easily solved though (and not with a cup of tea).
Easily solved though (and not with a cup of tea).
It is someone who calls her Laura, I have my suspicions. There's only a handful of people who call her Laura. She usually gets Laurie, Penny, Dave or Gobshite.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It can't be easy getting that much negativity on a regular basis, to be fair, but living a life in the public eye will invite comment whether it's warranted or not.
Especially when your mate Owen gets praise from the same people who rubbish her work.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
At the risk of a pasting, isn't he genuinely a better journalist who means it more than Laurie?
Feel a bit nervous about possible replies.
"The fewer the words that fully communicate or evoke the intended idea, the more effective the communication is" - Mark Twain (had to look it up to make sure I was right and not making a quote up
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I suspect she understands that a negative reaction is a lot better than none. It can even be better than a positive reaction. Julie Burchill would be forgotten today if she hadn't driven the entire readership of the NME absolutely insane with rage throughout the late '70s. Good journos thrive on hostility.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yes.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Wasn't me.
Owen has his faults but he is. I think he's strongest when he is on the spot, live radio / TV. He's always well researched, informed and can debate. Where as Penny calls people a cunt on a public platform or stands there like like 1 O'clock half struck.
http://thethirdestate.net/2011/01/on-being-called-a-cunt-by-laurie-penny/
On being called a cunt by Laurie Penny
Last night I attended a debate between AWL organizer Ed Maltby and journalist-cum-activist Laurie Penny. I won’t pretend it was the most interesting debate in the whole world, but nonetheless it was one of a number of fora in which activists are coming together to discuss theoretical issues in the emerging anti-cuts movement. The event culminated, though, with Laurie Penny saying, “we all have to work with people we don’t agree with” and then gesturing at me, “for example, I think Jacob is a cunt.” When it was suggested, after the meeting, by another activist that she offer some kind of apology, her response was, “no, he is a cunt.”
It was him Firks.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
One thing I notice when I read her articles is that you don't even have to be thinking very hard or even know that much to find the mistakes. Wasn't "managed decline" a term used with specific reference to Liverpool in a government document? It wasn't about inner cities areas in general and certainly not about inner London ones.
It's all so clumsy.
It's all so clumsy.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
It wasn't who I thought it was then (Norman)!
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You also get the impression that whatever you think about his conclusions Owen actually cares about what he writes, he is from a trade unionist background, whereas Laurie could be writing about anything it just so happens that she has found this particular schtick she can monetize.
chilango
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No, really, it wasn't me.
I call her Laura though and wanted to eliminate myself from enquiries...
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I totally agree.
Nice one
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does he represent his class though?
4th grade? yeah.
SpineyNorman
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Yep - it's lazy, insulting crap. And so easy for defenders of Thatcher to refute, giving the impression that the only way you can refute the idea that Thatcher was the saviour of Britain is to make shit up.
Any one of us on these boards could have produced better. Much better. Which brings us back to the point about posh school and Oxbridge social networks enabling mediocre writers to get into that kind of position. (Maybe a little bit unfair, there are a couple of topics on which she does write very well - but this definitely isn't one of them)
Dillinger4
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Thatcher had quite a long and effective managed decline as well.
SpineyNorman
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That's another inaccuracy - Thatcher was as successful as she was in taking on the unions precisely because she didn't take them on all at once.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The whole thing is dodgy mate:
"This victory was always going to be a pyrrhic one and the people here were determined to warm their faces by the fire as it died."
Pyrrhic for what? For who? How? No one thought protesting Thatcher's media beatification would bring down the coalition.
This bit - what does it mean?
"David Cameron's cabinet has completed the largest project of redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich in centuries."
Cameron has done this more successfully than Blair, than Thatcher, than Asquith, than Lloyd George, than Ramsay MacDonald and Stanley Baldwin, than all the other imperialist era prime ministers.
"The funeral celebrations are gross and the headlines are gross and the death parties are gross"
Death parties are not gross when the dead is Thatcher, they are a normal thing - what happened when Franco died and when Nixon died. Bla bla
"This victory was always going to be a pyrrhic one and the people here were determined to warm their faces by the fire as it died."
Pyrrhic for what? For who? How? No one thought protesting Thatcher's media beatification would bring down the coalition.
This bit - what does it mean?
"David Cameron's cabinet has completed the largest project of redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich in centuries."
Cameron has done this more successfully than Blair, than Thatcher, than Asquith, than Lloyd George, than Ramsay MacDonald and Stanley Baldwin, than all the other imperialist era prime ministers.
"The funeral celebrations are gross and the headlines are gross and the death parties are gross"
Death parties are not gross when the dead is Thatcher, they are a normal thing - what happened when Franco died and when Nixon died. Bla bla
I am guessing that comment is why she is blaming her pasting on right wing trolls because it does have a whiff of tory about it.
Wish there was a suitable emoticon for the above!
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The line has been changed unless I am getting it all wrong
"Thatcher took on organised labour and won, crushing the unions and the spirit of the British working class in one manicured fist."
As other posters prob know better than me, Thatcher helped set in train capitalist regeneration schemes for parts of certain inner cities like the Docklands and the famous LDDC.
"Thatcher took on organised labour and won, crushing the unions and the spirit of the British working class in one manicured fist."
As other posters prob know better than me, Thatcher helped set in train capitalist regeneration schemes for parts of certain inner cities like the Docklands and the famous LDDC.
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