Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[emanymton]

Wonder why she dropped in today... Was it after that comment was posted I wonder?

She suspected the comment may be from someone on here and came to check?

 

[Odrade]

After reading a great deal of this thread it seems quite clear to me what's going on here. I'm not going to ask you to check your privilege on this one, you had much rather check your ressentiment. I know it's a classical far-right argument, but it seems to be such a precise analysis of this discussion that it would be cheap to dismiss it outright.

 

[Treacle Toes]

1st post.

 

[weepiper]

'politics of envy'.

Damn right I'm envious. Is there a problem with that?

 

[Firky]

Pop psychology is for winners.

I'd love to walk into an job where I can post shit to the internet and get paid for it. Imagine if each one of my likes was a quid!

 

[phildwyer]

After reading a great deal of this thread it seems quite clear to me what's going on here. I'm not going to ask you to check your privilege on this one, you had much rather check your ressentiment. I know it's a classical far-right argument, but it seems to be such a precise analysis of this discussion that it would be cheap to dismiss it outright.

I don't think anyone's disputing that this thread is driven by envy and resentment

It couldn't really get much more obvious could it?

The salient question is whether that envy and resentment are justified.

 

[Treacle Toes]

'Politics of envy'...an inferred/direct statement/arguement used to undermine and ridicule another for calling out self-serving and exploitative behaviour... I could add that to a wiki if you like. I shan't bother though.

 

[J Ed]

After reading a great deal of this thread it seems quite clear to me what's going on here. I'm not going to ask you to check your privilege on this one, you had much rather check your ressentiment. I know it's a classical far-right argument, but it seems to be such a precise analysis of this discussion that it would be cheap to dismiss it outright.

Maggie? Is that you?

 

[rekil]

Surely, the thread is being driven by the idea that people doing things badly is funny?

 

[Odrade]

If the whole point of this nitpicking is using some random person as a prugelknabe for your own feelings of inadequacy, it seems somewhat unfair towards the random person. And ressentiment is obviously a more or less legitimate, and at any rate a powerfull, source of any rebellion, but if you leave it unchecked, it makes you stupid.

 

[Treacle Toes]

If the whole point of this nitpicking is using some random person as a prugelknabe for your own feelings of inadequacy, it seems somewhat unfair towards the random person. And ressentiment is obviously a more or less legitimate, and at any rate a powerfull, source of any rebellion, but if you leave it unchecked, it makes you stupid.

You believe you have worked out the 'whole point' (because there's only one) of this thread and know the motives/feelings of every single person who has posted on it?

 

[redsquirrel]

What exactly is hate-wanking?

Enquring minds want to know.

Maybe it's what happens after you've monterised your hotness?

 

[Belushi]

everyones just randomly picked on Laurie and the criticisms of her journalistic dishonesty are just 'nitpicking'... er okay.

Anyway, use some more long words, I'm interested in learning what else you've covered at Uni this semester

 

[Firky]

Pop psychology and foreign verbosity! You did P&P at Oxford and I claim my five deutsche mark.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I am more concerned that Odrade joined yesterday and has read this whole thread since then. It was such lovely weather today too.

 

[SpineyNorman]

It wasn't who I thought it was then (Norman)!

Fuck off

 

[equationgirl]

I am more concerned that Odrade joined yesterday and has read this whole thread since then. It was such lovely weather today too.

No way did they do the entire thread in a day. Takes about a week, probably longer now.

 

[SpineyNorman]

After reading a great deal of this thread it seems quite clear to me what's going on here. I'm not going to ask you to check your privilege on this one, you had much rather check your ressentiment. I know it's a classical far-right argument, but it seems to be such a precise analysis of this discussion that it would be cheap to dismiss it outright.

Ms Crabapple I presume?

The link to the wiki definition of ressentiment was a nice touch.

 

[equationgirl]

*waves to Molly*

Could be Stoya instead.

 

[Firky]

You don't need to be registered to read this thread. Could be coincidence but I suspect this is one of Laurie's bohemian mates because they turned up within hours of Laurie.

It's not Molly, Molly can't spell for toffee.

 

[seventh bullet]

I wake up from a long sleep (after doing a shit job Penny will never have to do) and find loads of pages to get through. So, she returned only to not answer criticisms of her and her bobo mates, eh. Surprising.

 

[Favelado]

Pop psychology and foreign verbosity! You did P&P at Oxford and I claim my five deutsche mark.

I looked up prugelknabe and it just means "whipping boy". So we have a direct translation for it in English and using the German is fucking stupid. There are foreign words that merit use in English but only if they don't have a worthy or succinct equivalent.

 

[Favelado]

Oh. I'm so full of saudade! Whatever am I to do?

 

[Firky]

Oh. I'm so full of saudade! Whatever am I to do?

 

[weepiper]

I looked up prugelknabe and it just means "whipping boy". So we have a direct translation for it in English and using the German is fucking stupid. There are foreign words that merit use in English but only if they don't have a worthy or succinct equivalent.

Yes, but using it marks you out as better than everyone who has to look it up. Different. A unique special terribly clever little flower

 

[Treacle Toes]

No way did they do the entire thread in a day. Takes about a week, probably longer now.

Yes, that is clear for the reason you say and their rather flimsy analysis of the thread and those posting on it.
Mostly, I was just mimicking their faux worry.

 

[Favelado]

I love the sketch where he goes out to that random town near Glasgow and it's a huge mad adventure for him.

 

[rekil]

No envy here really. I actually know Tony Benn.

 

[TruXta]

Yes, but using it marks you out as better than everyone who has to look it up. Different. A unique special terribly clever little flower

Bairn. Kirk.

Doesn't really work does it.

 

[J Ed]

Oh. I'm so full of saudade! Whatever am I to do?

I'd be interested to know how Laurie thinks saudade is pronounced...