Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[sihhi]

Also, she's not a self-declared leftist, hence very different from Owen Jones, Laurie Penny, Jonny Marbles, Ellie Mae O'Hagan, Zoe Stavri, George Monbiot etc who, in different ways, do call for total social change and a non-class society.

I don’t campaign for the end of the aristocracy or the upper classes; I don’t really want to destroy anything at all. I just want more plurality. You just have to make sure that everyone — because things would get fucking boring if it’s the same shit as the past 10,000 years. I mean, you genuinely can’t tell the difference between white, middle-class straight men’s faces. You could put like 50 of them in a room and unless they’ve got interesting facial scars or are wearing a distinctive hat, I could not tell you the difference among any of them. They all just look the same.

And so is even less likely to read this thread compared to LP.

 

[frogwoman]

I mean, you genuinely can’t tell the difference between white, middle-class straight men’s faces. You could put like 50 of them in a room and unless they’ve got interesting facial scars or are wearing a distinctive hat, I could not tell you the difference among any of them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Owen Jones comparing himself to gulaged RSDLPers .

"Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84
@tofuturehumans @WailQ I was accused of being an oppressor. This is how Stalinists attacked left-reformists in the Third Period era."

Do people here find Jonny Marbles funny?

Anarchist Zoe Stavri attacking present-day coordinated letter-writing, suggesting that letter-writing worked in the past:
http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2012/12/standing-opposition-dominance-privilege


Handing in a coordinated written open letter, plus signatories, here:
http://unlockdemocracy.org.uk/blog/entry/8000-supporters-say-no-to-more-expenses-scandals


No wonder hardly anyone/noone takes anarchism seriously, having said that Owen Jones, Helen Lewis, Johnny Marbles and George Monbiot are far worse.

So these people aren't so much "anarchists" as they are "social democrats who like calling themselves something edgy".

What a bunch of entitled cunts!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm just reeling with the concept of these so-called anarchists petitioning the fucking state

Beautiful in its absurdity, isn't it?

 

[cesare]

Beautiful in its absurdity, isn't it?

What's even more absurd is that they'd probably be scratching their collective heads in confusion if they read that criticism

 

[killer b]

this caitlin moran clusterfuck sounds like it could be a fun read, but it's very difficult to follow twitter sensations after the fact. anyone do me a short precis?

 

[Captain Hurrah]

A Marxist, eh.

 

[killer b]

i think it's just a humorous t-shirt slogan tbf.

 

[equationgirl]

this caitlin moran clusterfuck sounds like it could be a fun read, but it's very difficult to follow twitter sensations after the fact. anyone do me a short precis?

She wrote an article in the times but most of it was behind the paywall. The only bit visible was a paragraph taken out of context and a huge bunfight has ensued.

 

[cesare]

A Marxist, eh.

I'll never become a Marxist cos Caitlin Moran and the like are Marxists etc

 

[DotCommunist]

no one ever says what happens to the boys when they are brought to the yard. Shades of katyn I feel.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

I'll never become a Marxist cos Caitlin Moran and the like are Marxists etc

?

 

[cesare]

?

Oh, I was just picking up from what Delroy posted earlier; I'll never be an anarchist cos LP etc are. Same sort of thing. I went anarchist, eh? And you went Marxist, eh?

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Annakisseds ...

 

[Captain Hurrah]

i think it's just a humorous t-shirt slogan tbf.

Aside from that glibness, it isn't even 'humorous.'

 

[killer b]

well, no - of course not. it's a slogan on a t-shirt after all.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Which was my point before.

 

[killer b]

ok.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Exactly.

 

[stuff_it]

i think it's just a humorous t-shirt slogan tbf.

It's probably Primarni...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

i think it's just a humorous t-shirt slogan tbf.

That this is even needed to pointed out says a lot about this thread...

 

[Balbi]

Its from t shirt hell.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

It didn't need pointing out. A throwaway post, and shit gets serious.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Aside from that glibness, it isn't even 'humorous.'

well, no - of course not. it's a slogan on a t-shirt after all.

Which was my point before.

ok.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Very good.

 

[DotCommunist]

check the poker faces all round

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Post 10108 needs helpful reiterating.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Post 10108 needs helpful reiterating.

 

[DotCommunist]

looks like uncle joe has had the last hotdog from the tin. Typical.

 

[cesare]

On your marks ...