Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[DotCommunist]

Godspeed you, painscienceguy

 

[equationgirl]

Why would you want them to die when their pain can be exquisitely drawn-out?

Because it take a long time for them to die. It is not a quick death.

 

[Orang Utan]

The Boats is the worst way to die i reckon. I think the Sumerians or some other ancient civilisation practised it.
You get tied between two boats and covered in honey, then the insects come and eat you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because it take a long time for them to die. It is not a quick death.

Fair enough then!

(takes eqg's name off of "the list")

 

[ViolentPanda]

The Boats is the worst way to die i reckon. I think the Sumerians or some other ancient civilisation practised it.
You get tied between two boats and covered in honey, then the insects come and eat you.

That's if a wandering honey badger doesn't scent you!

 

[Orang Utan]

Fuck, it's worse than I remember:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

 

[equationgirl]

Fuck, it's worse than I remember:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

My, that is bad.

We're almost benevolent in comparison.

 

[equationgirl]

Fair enough then!

(takes eqg's name off of "the list")

I was the LIST!!!!!!

Now that's just mean, VP.

 

[Firky]

Fuck, it's worse than I remember:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

Sounds like a German club.

 

[equationgirl]

Sounds like a German club.

A very alternative club.

 

[Firky]

A very alternative club.

Privileged gentleman's club.

 

[equationgirl]

Privileged gentleman's club.

I think those are very expensive.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Ah, but does it trump a stonefish?

Toadfish beats Stonefish.

 

[Superdupastupor]

Fuck, it's worse than I remember:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

History is the autobiography of a mad man.

 

[Idris2002]

Quick question: was the New Statesman always anti-union, or is the current ban on the NUJ there relatively recent?

 

[Treacle Toes]

History is the autobiography of a mad man.

'History'...is at best a geneology....more than one exists

 

[cesare]

Quick question: was the New Statesman always anti-union, or is the current ban on the NUJ there relatively recent?

They can't ban the NUJ by the way. They can only refuse to voluntarily recognise them, and it's now open to the NUJ to attempt the involuntary recognition route via the CAC.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

http://thuraltmedia.blogspot.com/2012/12/blundering-into-political-minefield.html

A good follow up post.

 

[cesare]

Bit weird what he's saying about the "anarchist movement" though. As far as I could see, the ones I'm aware of were hardly queuing up to support LP and some went out of their way to say so. Some of them actually on this thread. Plus, I'm still not convinced that Privilege Theory has been taken up wholesale by anarchist groups and AFEDs stance (for example) is far from clear. I wonder if Dave thinks all anarchists are like LP.

 

[love detective]

Bit weird what he's saying about the "anarchist movement" though. As far as I could see, the ones I'm aware of were hardly queuing up to support LP and some went out of their way to say so. Some of them actually on this thread. Plus, I'm still not convinced that Privilege Theory has been taken up wholesale by anarchist groups and AFEDs stance (for example) is far from clear. I wonder if Dave thinks all anarchists are like LP.

he's only talking about 'certain sections' of the anarchist movement, not all of them

since leaving the IWCA he's been involved with things like WAG, ALARM, etc.. and has become much more supportive of anarchism in general

so it's self criticism from an involved point of view pretty much, not a general misconception of things as a result of distance from it (like penny does!)

 

[cesare]

he's only talking about 'certain sections' of the anarchist movement, not all of them

since leaving the IWCA he's been involved with things like WAG, ALARM, etc.. and has become much more supportive of anarchism in general

so it's self criticism from an involved point of view pretty much, not a general misconception of things as a result of distance from it (like penny does!)

Ta, ld. That makes more sense now you explain it. It's not really how it comes across in that article though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bit weird what he's saying about the "anarchist movement" though. As far as I could see, the ones I'm aware of were hardly queuing up to support LP and some went out of their way to say so. Some of them actually on this thread. Plus, I'm still not convinced that Privilege Theory has been taken up wholesale by anarchist groups and AFEDs stance (for example) is far from clear. I wonder if Dave thinks all anarchists are like LP.

Good old Laura, the Labour-supporting anarchist!

 

[cesare]

Good old Laura, the Labour-supporting anarchist!

Didn't butchers say she's a bloody LibDem now or summat? in any event, she's clearly not read the bit about electoral politics

 

[ViolentPanda]

Didn't butchers say she's a bloody LibDem now or summat? in any event, she's clearly not read the bit about electoral politics

She's all over the place! In the run-up to the election she was Lib-Dem, only to mysteriously swap over to Labour and claim that she'd always supported Labour when it became obvious the Yellow Tories were going to go into coalition with the Blue Tories, not the red Tories.

 

[Idris2002]

They can't ban the NUJ by the way. They can only refuse to voluntarily recognise them, and it's now open to the NUJ to attempt the involuntary recognition route via the CAC.

So the NS was unionised in the past, then?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Good old Laura, the Labour-supporting anarchist!

lots of anarchists have at least voted Labour at various times though, which is support of a kind.

Laura did vote Libdem in 2010 but is clearly back in the Labour fold now.

 

[cesare]

She's all over the place! In the run-up to the election she was Lib-Dem, only to mysteriously swap over to Labour and claim that she'd always supported Labour when it became obvious the Yellow Tories were going to go into coalition with the Blue Tories, not the red Tories.

Ah, different sequence but same bloody outcome to all intents and purposes. I must admit I'd never paid her much attention til recently, but has she ever stated that she's an anarchist? I thought she described herself as an activist which is often very different cf Occupy

 

[Ronnie Rubashov]

'Anarchist' is what hippies are called these days.

Apologies to any actual anarchists.

 

[cesare]

So the NS was unionised in the past, then?

No idea tbh. But if the NUJ tried the CAC route before when the last row took place, they have to wait 3 years before making another application. I did skim-trawl back through all the CAC decisions back to approx 2008 but an application from the NUJ wasn't immediately apparent, so maybe they've never tried to force the issue.

 

[ViolentPanda]

lots of anarchists have at least voted Labour at various times though, which is support of a kind.

Really? Take a poll, did you?

Laura did vote Libdem in 2010 but is clearly back in the Labour fold now.

And pretending to have never been smitten by the liberal-democratic virus. The minx.