Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Balbi]

so her job consists of writing one article a month and one blog post a week

I do that. And it's about what's happening in my area, and my country. No international jet-protesting for me

 

[articul8]

Rumours that Butchers is taking over at the Indie

 

[butchersapron]

New statesman circulation - 4000
Independent - 100 000

I wonder if a lot of the missing zeros came with the 'editor' name?

 

[love detective]

I do that. And it's about what's happening in my area, and my country. No international jet-protesting for me

Most of us do that in a single day on here, selflessly

 

[cesare]

New statesman circulation - 4000
Independent - 100 000

I wonder if a lot of the missing zeros came with the 'editor' name?

Probably.

Contributing* Editor









* a little bit

 

[DaveCinzano]

New statesman circulation - 4000
Independent - 100 000

I wonder if a lot of the missing zeros came with the 'editor' name?

Yes, but the Indy is read by civilians and other mug punters. Der Staat's readership boasts a greater concentration of opinion shapers, glitzy laptoperati and people who will inevitably give Laura a job in the near future key policy wonks at think tanks.

 

[DotCommunist]

I do that. And it's about what's happening in my area, and my country. No international jet-protesting for me

not even a 10% off at Aroma

 

[DaveCinzano]

not even a 10% off at Aroma

I bet her package includes a Platinum BiTE Card

 

[articul8]

Has Mehdi left the staggers now?

 

[butchersapron]

Has Mehdi left the staggers now?

He left his political editor role months ago but still writes for them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

and the cleverest girl at school

No no no, the cleverest girl at a school of clever girls!

 

[articul8]

I rarely if ever read it to be honest. Must be run at a big loss if it's circulation is only 4000

 

[butchersapron]

I rarely if ever read it to be honest. Must be run at a big loss if it's circulation is only 4000

Rumours were that Lord Ashcroft was looking into buying it a few weeks back, the Russian gangster who owns the Independent has also been in the frame (and i expect some people will use this non-news to push that line again this week).

 

[articul8]

Who owns it now - still Geoffrey Robinson?

 

[butchersapron]

I got the 4000 figure from here - but that doesn't include subscribers i.e it's just newstand sales. The wiki article has 20 000 sold (with 17 000 paid - what were the rest then?).

 

[DaveCinzano]

I got the 4000 figure from here - but that doesn't include subscribers i.e it's just newstand sales. The wiki article has 20 000 sold (with 17 000 paid - what were the rest then?).

Freebies for hotels, airport lounges, conferences, that sort of thing I would imagine?

 

[articul8]

They give them out free at Labour conference and Guardian type stuff. 4000 news-stand sounds about right for them. But 16k subs sounds high - I know they'll have institutional ones (libraries etc.) but still...

 

[butchersapron]

Who owns it now - still Geoffrey Robinson?

Progressive Media - or have they sold it on? Doesn't appear in their own list of publications - assuming i have the right one given the proliferation of firms with this crap name.

 

[articul8]

not sure who they are

 

[DaveCinzano]

This is the lead story on the Press Gazette tickertape

 

[love detective]

any chance the Indy have kicked her out because she's unbelievably shite?

it's not as if her workload at the NS would prevent her doing a few shit opinion pieces for the Independent as well as the NS

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, does appear to still be owned by the union busting Progressive Media Group.

 

[DaveCinzano]

any chance the Indy have kicked her out because she's unbelievably shite?

Maybe they're clearing the decks so that Johann can make his triumphant return.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's their unpaid intern pages. Nice of these unpaid interns to susidise the star names and help out with their rent.

 

[love detective]

In line with DWP guidance, you won't be expected to do any work which replaces that of full-time employees;

You may be asked to help out with tasks such as transcribing or other admin

 

[articul8]

Know it's a big concern for the NUJ - interns replacing paid staff

 

[cesare]

The trouble is, that most of these interns are so desperate for a foot in the door that they'll do it for nothing. It drives wages down, it's unpaid labour, these are "real" jobs that should be waged, and the people that can do it for nothing usually have parental subsidy so ensuring a continual recruitment way in for middle class journalism. Most of media's pretty bad for it and there are hardly any complaints (relatively) so it's unchecked.

 

[butchersapron]

Know it's a big concern for the NUJ - interns replacing paid staff

Luckily the NUJ are not recognised at the new statesman.

 

[DotCommunist]

Don't suppose there will be many workfare gigs at the groan or others anytime soon

 

[inva]

Luckily the NUJ are not recognised at the new statesman.

Was just about to ask about that. So is it still unrecognised there? I remember reading about it a few years back.