Al Qaeda a myth says Russian
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I do have an interest in who funds this site. Care to tell us why you don't want to share that information?
You just can't keep your story straight! If anyone is damaging the crebility of this site, look no further than yourself. The above irrational tripe is the usual fare when you are arguing with others. You can't debate so you try to close the discussion down by name-calling and hysterical accusations.editor said:
Thank you Fubert.fubert said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
DrJazzz said:Here's an observation I have about the IRA. Has anyone noticed, that when they are being discussed these days on telly, the 't' word has vanished? It is a fascinating phenomenon. It is replaced by 'criminality'
Same old same old.
This particular rhetoric appears to have been deployed for as long as there has been "mass media", along with the delineating of different parties into "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" categories.
I think there's also a contradiction in the use of the word "criminality" which serves "the establishment" very well. On one hand it implies that the IRA are no longer a "terrorist" thread, providing "the masses" with a sense of security, on the other hand it projects any deed by the IRA (criminal or political) firmly into the realm of the criminal, de-legitimising any political motive.
In the interests of peace and harmony would a contribution from me go some way to assuaging the animosity that exists between us ed?
Sorry.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I go away for a few days and....well, what can I say? What happened?
nino_savatte said:
You went away for a few days.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
Are you my echo?
nino_savatte said:
Do you only like the sound of your own voice?
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
You're a little slow aren't you? You simply repeated what I had posted, or is this a feeble attempt to have a pop at me?
It's like being mauled by a dead dog.
nino_savatte said:
A dead sheep, mate. A dead sheep.
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
In your case it's a dead dog (full of maggots).
nino_savatte said:
Have you already forgotten Dennis Healy and his comment about Geoffrey Howe?
nino_savatte
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Lock&Light said:
I'm not Healy, am I?
Besides, you're more dog than sheep.
nino_savatte said:
I can't imagine that you meant it that way, but I find that quite complimentary.
Welcome back Nino. 
A 911 Skeptic Speaks...
A transcription (by myself) of part of a rousing speech by ultra-left media critic and 911 skeptic - Barrie Zwicker follows, link to video at the end should you wish to watch it.
"Where is the human species now? We are at the most dangerous point in history. We are in a multiple crisis, above all it's ecological and you cannot have a healthy human economy based on a sick earth economy. The economic crisis is additionally one of extreme inequitability. We are also in a related social crisis; there is a communication crisis, the public nervous system is sending false signals - it is not a spiritual crisis in my opinion, perhaps the opposite, because crisis forces deep reassessment for individuals, organizations and planet. The human species could find its soul restoring its home, or we may all die sooner than we should or both.
Another way to describe where we, the people are - is to say we are collectively brainwashed semi-automatons being force marched toward extiinction, by rulers who are tunnel-visioned bullies and moral zeroes. Their latest greatest hit was 911 - so the rulers ordered their apparatchiks to mount some encores; the latest being the Madrid bombings quickly dubbed Europe's "911"; a tell-tale fingerprint with the alleged finding of a koran in a van soon after. Come on! And the alleged tape linked to al Qaeda. Come on!
The purpose of 911 and encore 911 type events is to keep the public malleable through fear. A fearful public will countenance a reduction of its civil liberties in return of promises of greater security. More encores are expected. I hope this will be the subject of much discussion...
Question: how often can they play this "koran in a van" card before the pattern recognition becomes so widespread amongst citizens on the planet as to become a serious political force? 911 was actually, in my opinion, a sloppily complicated drama that well reflects the diseased minds that concocted it. They can get that complicated because their resources are virtually unlimited and their moral restraints... nil. They are diabolical technicians getting off on their power and perversity and propensity to please their masters, but if the 911 planners had been high-fiving over their success, they are engaging in hubris taking credit where it is not due, because those who conspired to concoct this toxic trick and inflict it, did not succeed because they created a seamless magic trick, they succeeded because of the virtual total complicity of the mainstream media - our mental jailers.
It's from the mainstream media that most people get most of their information most of the time. So those who control the output of the mainstream media control the brain-stem of our collective consciousness. When those charged with being skeptical inquirers are neither skeptical nor do they inquire - the only phrase for it is "deep complicity". When investigative journalists fail to investigate the obvious it is deep complicity. When investigative journos only investigate that which distracts the public from the obvious it is even deeper complicity...
The drama, however transfixing to the bemused masses, validates the "Big Lie". As Arundhati Roy writes, "it is important to understand the corporate media do not just support the neo-liberal project, they are the neo-liberal project - it is structural, it's intrinsic to the economics of the mass media," and the mainstream media perform as spear-carriers for their emperor through a combination of de-facto censorship, mass distraction and platforming of ideologically-loaded deceptions all blended into the illusory landscape of the total synthetic environment, which is their penultimate product. Their ultimate product is atomised, lobotomised masses existing in their consumer-decorated assigned pigeon-holes, in fact all of us to a certain extent.
But there is another answer to the question of "where are we now and where are we going?" I think now we are actually on the threshhold of hope because such an edifice of the illusion embedded in, and promotive of, an earth-destroying economy is one that cannot be sustained. Something has to give and give soon. The depletion of resources is proceeding exponentially The build-up of waste is building exponentially. The brazenness of deceptions manufactured to mobilize public opinion behind the agenda of the neocons is reaching its zenith.
Something is stirring among the masses designated to sleep-walk toward oblivion. Something is stirring even among some of the prison guards, even among a few of the illusioneers. So where are we in the 911 skeptic movement? Well, I think that our job is to know the landscape as well as we can, to grasp the largest picture to the best of our ability. To plan a roadmap from where we are - to a better place. Our job is to nourish a realistic hope that we can and will play a pivotal role, to help the old death system to itself die the death it unconsciously seeks. Our job is to prepare for the chaos to come and help lay the ground work for the more honest and sustained world that will be built on the rubble and courage of the present.
As 911 skeptics we are called by history to be our best and most effective selves - whatever role we play. We are charged with doing our utmost to save our planetary home and, to paraphrase a poet who stood on this stage last February, "our great grand-children should not let us sleep at night." So thats where I think we 911 skeptics are now. We are more awake than we ever have been and we have much more waking up to do and, especially, we owe it to our fellow citizens to rub the sleep out of their eyes."
http://chicago.indymedia.org/media/all/display/9942/index.php
A transcription (by myself) of part of a rousing speech by ultra-left media critic and 911 skeptic - Barrie Zwicker follows, link to video at the end should you wish to watch it.
"Where is the human species now? We are at the most dangerous point in history. We are in a multiple crisis, above all it's ecological and you cannot have a healthy human economy based on a sick earth economy. The economic crisis is additionally one of extreme inequitability. We are also in a related social crisis; there is a communication crisis, the public nervous system is sending false signals - it is not a spiritual crisis in my opinion, perhaps the opposite, because crisis forces deep reassessment for individuals, organizations and planet. The human species could find its soul restoring its home, or we may all die sooner than we should or both.
Another way to describe where we, the people are - is to say we are collectively brainwashed semi-automatons being force marched toward extiinction, by rulers who are tunnel-visioned bullies and moral zeroes. Their latest greatest hit was 911 - so the rulers ordered their apparatchiks to mount some encores; the latest being the Madrid bombings quickly dubbed Europe's "911"; a tell-tale fingerprint with the alleged finding of a koran in a van soon after. Come on! And the alleged tape linked to al Qaeda. Come on!
The purpose of 911 and encore 911 type events is to keep the public malleable through fear. A fearful public will countenance a reduction of its civil liberties in return of promises of greater security. More encores are expected. I hope this will be the subject of much discussion...
Question: how often can they play this "koran in a van" card before the pattern recognition becomes so widespread amongst citizens on the planet as to become a serious political force? 911 was actually, in my opinion, a sloppily complicated drama that well reflects the diseased minds that concocted it. They can get that complicated because their resources are virtually unlimited and their moral restraints... nil. They are diabolical technicians getting off on their power and perversity and propensity to please their masters, but if the 911 planners had been high-fiving over their success, they are engaging in hubris taking credit where it is not due, because those who conspired to concoct this toxic trick and inflict it, did not succeed because they created a seamless magic trick, they succeeded because of the virtual total complicity of the mainstream media - our mental jailers.
It's from the mainstream media that most people get most of their information most of the time. So those who control the output of the mainstream media control the brain-stem of our collective consciousness. When those charged with being skeptical inquirers are neither skeptical nor do they inquire - the only phrase for it is "deep complicity". When investigative journalists fail to investigate the obvious it is deep complicity. When investigative journos only investigate that which distracts the public from the obvious it is even deeper complicity...
The drama, however transfixing to the bemused masses, validates the "Big Lie". As Arundhati Roy writes, "it is important to understand the corporate media do not just support the neo-liberal project, they are the neo-liberal project - it is structural, it's intrinsic to the economics of the mass media," and the mainstream media perform as spear-carriers for their emperor through a combination of de-facto censorship, mass distraction and platforming of ideologically-loaded deceptions all blended into the illusory landscape of the total synthetic environment, which is their penultimate product. Their ultimate product is atomised, lobotomised masses existing in their consumer-decorated assigned pigeon-holes, in fact all of us to a certain extent.
But there is another answer to the question of "where are we now and where are we going?" I think now we are actually on the threshhold of hope because such an edifice of the illusion embedded in, and promotive of, an earth-destroying economy is one that cannot be sustained. Something has to give and give soon. The depletion of resources is proceeding exponentially The build-up of waste is building exponentially. The brazenness of deceptions manufactured to mobilize public opinion behind the agenda of the neocons is reaching its zenith.
Something is stirring among the masses designated to sleep-walk toward oblivion. Something is stirring even among some of the prison guards, even among a few of the illusioneers. So where are we in the 911 skeptic movement? Well, I think that our job is to know the landscape as well as we can, to grasp the largest picture to the best of our ability. To plan a roadmap from where we are - to a better place. Our job is to nourish a realistic hope that we can and will play a pivotal role, to help the old death system to itself die the death it unconsciously seeks. Our job is to prepare for the chaos to come and help lay the ground work for the more honest and sustained world that will be built on the rubble and courage of the present.
As 911 skeptics we are called by history to be our best and most effective selves - whatever role we play. We are charged with doing our utmost to save our planetary home and, to paraphrase a poet who stood on this stage last February, "our great grand-children should not let us sleep at night." So thats where I think we 911 skeptics are now. We are more awake than we ever have been and we have much more waking up to do and, especially, we owe it to our fellow citizens to rub the sleep out of their eyes."
http://chicago.indymedia.org/media/all/display/9942/index.php
editor
hiraethified
And who the fuck is he?Raisin D'etre said:
Oh hold on, here's his CV. Forgive me if I wonder aloud: "who gives a fuck what this nobody thinks".
Why is his opinion so important that half a ton of his wafflings should be be cut and pasted here?!
I mean, what particular qualifications has he that makes his opinion any more worthy than any other poster here?
editor said:
A 'nobody' eh? How does one become a 'somebody'?
Anyway, that CV of his you posted is actully pretty impressive. I'd hardly denigrate and diss the poor man for being a 'nobody'.
Really, we are all important in our own right.
Are you seriously telling the forum that one has to have a certain kind of (acceptable to editor of urban75) record and/or 'expertness' to have an opinion worth listening to?
Does the common man or woman with no 'record' therefore not have the ability to hold an opinion that is worth listening to?
Editor, forgive me, but you seem to put more truck in who the speaker/writer is than the message they are conveying.
Even to a skeptic, the text that raisin posted up by this 'nobody' should read as some kind of wake-up call.
Loki said:erm... 'Zwicker describes himself as “an atheist Christian humanist”'
Dictionary def of an atheist: "One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Interestingly loki, that was the very last paragraph you have quoted/selected to highlight. Did you actually read the rest of it? He seems to me a very well travelled man, and definitely worth listening to. For example:
"His hero is Bertrand Russell."
"He was awarded an honourary Life Membership in the Media Club of Canada in 1991 and is listed in Canadian Who’s Who."
"For three and a half years his “Facing the Fourth Estate” commentary was nationally syndicated on 18 stations on CBC Radio."
"While the Globe’s education writer, he won all three top awards of the Education Writers’ Association of North America."
There's loads more on the CV link that editor provided for the forum. Pretty damned impressive it reads too.
Hardly a 'nobody'.
But anyway, presumably only a 'somebody' would talk of others being a 'nobody'.
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