A third of male university students say they would rape a woman if there no were no consequences

[ViolentPanda]

I always use 'most' to mean 'more than half' - is that not correct?

It's inaccurate. If you have 200 maltesers and I skank 101 of them off of you, then the difference in volume is minimal. "Most" implies a more significant difference - 150 maltesers, say.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thank-you for your excellent contribution to this thread. We appreciate your efforts anyway.

Is that the royal "we", or does your delusion extend to you believing that you speak for anyone except yourself?

 

[8ball]

I'm sure all women reading this will be very grateful to you for putting them right on their irrational fears.

Thirteen.

 

[bluescreen]

So fire me a clue-gun here. What am I missing?

 

[8ball]

It's inaccurate. If you have 200 maltesers and I skank 101 of them off of you, then the difference in volume is minimal. "Most" implies a more significant difference - 150 maltesers, say.

Ah, but if I had 4 and you skanked 3...

But yeah, with a big n then I wouldn't use it for (n/2) + 1.

 

[bluescreen]

I do realise that according to official statistics men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. I also know that rape is rarely reported. If you can get women's confidence you will find that the level of rape experienced is shockingly high among your acquaintances. Funnily enough they don't like talking about it to men. But maybe you are a woman so you know this already.

 

[ferrelhadley]

One study suggests a surprisingly high number of men are subjected to coersion for sex.

Other figures suggest that more men may be raped in America than women

 

[bluescreen]

It may be so. Certainly prison rape is a scandal.

 

[frogwoman]

I'd say of course women can rape men and other women, I have my doubts as to whether this is as common as men raping women/other men though frankly.

 

[8ball]

I'd say of course women can rape men and other women, I have my doubts as to whether this is as common as men raping women/other men though frankly.

I don't think any balanced (or most unbalanced) people would expect the figures to be anywhere remotely near parity.

I'm not sure how that relates to the topic of this survey, though.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I'd say of course women can rape men and other women, I have my doubts as to whether this is as common as men raping women/other men though frankly.

Rape Crisis Scotland had to be forced by the government to accept male rape victims. Their logo has a womans symbol and today people say their support for men is pretty shoddy.

Rape is almost always portrayed as a "feminist" or "womans" issue and even bringing up male rape can be contentious. Even this study only asks men.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Here's a critique of the claims':

There are bias tells throughout that piece.

 

[8ball]

Rape Crisis Scotland had to be forced by the government to accept male rape victims. Their logo has a womans symbol and today people say their support for men is pretty shoddy.

Rape is almost always portrayed as a "feminist" or "womans" issue and even bringing up male rape can be contentious. Even this study only asks men.

I'm not too sure whether the Government are the right people to be forcing charities to change in this manner.
It's not something I've thought through in detail, though.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I'm not too sure whether the Government are the right people to be forcing charities to change in this manner.
It's not something I've thought through in detail, though.

They receive large sums of off them.
But fair enough, there is good discrimination (the kind the left like) and bad discrimination (the kind the left dont like).

 

[8ball]

The only criticism I agree with is that 100% assuredly consequence-free assault is such a strange theoretical construct that I'm not sure that asking about it throws much illumination on the real world. Saying no one will ever find out and no trouble will ever come of it raises the question of what the hell kind of action and circumstance you can possibly be talking about. It's hard to relate it to actual violence (implied or otherwise). At the very least it's qualitatively different to real-world situations. So that does make me wonder how much can be read into statistics about it.

I think this sums up my feelings about the study. It's kind of hard to tell precisely what the participants had in their head when the answered the question. The properly twisted ones could have answered 'no'.

 

[8ball]

They receive large sums of off them.
But fair enough, there is good discrimination (the kind the left like) and bad discrimination (the kind the left dont like).

If a Government wants to tell a charity how and who to help they can bring those services in house.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Is that the royal "we", or does your delusion extend to you believing that you speak for anyone except yourself?

Royal "we". Is that good enough for you two?

 

[Wolveryeti]

Not so far removed from the 25% of south east Asian men who admitted rape in this survey

 

[Jezebelle]

I'd I also want to believe most people aren't rapists but this paedophile and rape chat makes me seriously worried. If one in three blokes is a rapist (and possibly a similar proportion of gay women, who knows, I have certainly come across women with a similar lack of respect for anyone's boundaries although not been raped by one) then how the hell are you supposed to tell as they don't all walk around with a sign on their head?

The idea that literally anyone you know could be a rapist makes me really scared. No wonder nobody wants to believe that it happens because it's so terrifying.

I don't think we should allow the commonness of rape to frighten us or stop us from living our lives. The point is that most rapes take place within the context of a relationship (new, established or fomer). This is one of the reasons why it's much more common than is usually recognised, and so under-reported. It also means we're statistically safer with strangers than we are with people who are meant to like, love, care about or respect us.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

It's inaccurate. If you have 200 maltesers and I skank 101 of them off of you, then the difference in volume is minimal. "Most" implies a more significant difference - 150 maltesers, say.

I've this image flashing through my mind of an innocent looking panda sitting next to a pile of runny shit!

 

[Jezebelle]

It's a matter of the description of experience, I'm saying I don't agree that people who find power a turn-on (or would use the word or one that can be associated with it to describe some aspect of their sexual experience) are therefore rapey, as if some aspect of 'power' in sex is the definitive characteristic of rapism.

The definitive characteristic of rape isn't about 'power' or any over of the many various words one could use to describe some experiential or emotional aspect of sexual experience or sexual relationship.

There are many ways of exploring 'power' or other things in sex that tell us nothing about what rape is in essence.

In my opinion rape is about theft, the taking by force or coercion or deceit that which hasn't been given. Perhaps this is a subtle difference from what is meant with the whole 'rape is about power' thing. If I were to enjoy some leggy blonde in a cat-suit lording it over me of an evening, that would be a whole lot of sex an power going on without rape having anything to do with it.

There's probably a venn diagram somewhere in what I'm struggling to say here and I'm fairly sure it looks like a figure-eight rather than a fried-egg.

Do people still say 'leggy blonde'? Oh well...The 'rape is about power, not sex' argument was challenging the idea that it's some kind of 'crime of passion', involving weak-willed men who just couldn't help themselves, and all the victim-blaming that's still very much around. I don't think it was saying people who are turned on by power are more likely to rape. Problem is it sounds far too simplistic to suggest the same motivation always lies behind the same action, and doesn't explain why rape is being used to obtain power over other ways of getting it.

 

[Jezebelle]

Rape is almost always portrayed as a "feminist" or "womans" issue and even bringing up male rape can be contentious. Even this study only asks men.

Issues which affect women disproportionately tend to be regarded as feminist and women's issues. That's the reason rape crisis centres were set up by women for women. It doesn't mean there's no acknowledgment of male rape. You're accusing rape crisis of sexism and yet men who rape other men usually receive harsher sentences than those that rape women.

 

[toggle]

I don't think any balanced (or most unbalanced) people would expect the figures to be anywhere remotely near parity.

I'm not sure how that relates to the topic of this survey, though.

i think someone is trying to claim that it's a problem because we haven't mentioned that men can be raped when we're discussing a survey about male behavior towards women. a bit of a 'wot about the menz' thing going on. because there are some serious concerns that have been raised within those articles, but the headlines tell a somewhat different picture to the actual content and i'd believe that someone who actually cared about the subjects contained within, then they would be starting a discussion about that seperately, not throwing them in as a seagull approach to this thread

 

[toggle]

They receive large sums of off them.
But fair enough, there is good discrimination (the kind the left like) and bad discrimination (the kind the left dont like).

it's only contentious if you're trying to use the subject to shut down discussion of male abuse of women.

 

[ferrelhadley]

i think someone is trying to claim

I think you need to name names.

 

[ferrelhadley]

it's only contentious if you're trying to use the subject to shut down discussion of male abuse of women.

Thanks, that is all I needed form you.

 

[toggle]

Don't be scared, fear is a massive and useful industry, but just in case- learn yerself some Krav Maga.

women are taught to fear. we're taught to fear men through every bit of crap safety advice we get and every bit of unpleasent male behavior we deal with. want to make fear go away? deal with shitty male behavior in public, the twats that think they own public space and have the right to make others afraid of them

and do you really believe that learning any martial art is some kind of fix?

 

[toggle]

Thanks, that is all I needed form you.

more constructive debate?

if you actually wanted to discuss those articles, you would be starting discussion of them, not using them as some kind of point scoring exercise. and you'd have raised the issue that the headlines are more of an attention grabber than a summary of the content

 

[Jezebelle]

women are taught to fear. we're taught to fear men through every bit of crap safety advice we get and every bit of unpleasent male behavior we deal with. want to make fear go away? deal with shitty male behavior in public, the twats that think they own public space and have the right to make others afraid of them

and do you really believe that learning any martial art is some kind of fix?

Whilst recognising that self-defence training is not the solution, I do see it as one of the ways that could help prepare us to fight back. There certainly needs to be a lot more arse-kicking than currently goes on. Being prepared to make a loud scene, with groups of people being ready to surround men who abuse women in public, is another method. As well as learning to be afraid, we're so often taught not to 'make a fuss', to keep quiet, feel ashamed and blame ourselves. It's the men who do this that should be made to feel humiliated.

 

[bluescreen]

Whilst recognising that self-defence training is not the solution, I do see it as one of the ways that could help prepare us to fight back. There certainly needs to be a lot more arse-kicking than currently goes on. Being prepared to make a loud scene, with groups of people being ready to surround men who abuse women in public, is another method. As well as learning to be afraid, we're so often taught not to 'make a fuss', to keep quiet, feel ashamed and blame ourselves. It's the men who do this that should be made to feel humiliated.

Ran tan tan.