A third of male university students say they would rape a woman if there no were no consequences

[ddraig]

no words!
'fairness, moderation and common sense'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-not-rape-woman-drunk-5119029
and 39% of people in the poll agree with him.

A barrister has sparked outrage by saying men should be cleared of rape when a woman claims she only consented to sex because she was drunk.

Furious rape campaign groups have condemned barrister David Osborne’s claim on his website in a blog he has called “SHE WAS GAGGING FOR IT”.

Married dad-of-four Mr Osborne, 71, wrote: “In my book, consent is consent, blind drunk or otherwise, and regret after the event cannot make it rape....I have a very simple solution which I hope you will agree is fair.

“If the complainant (I do not refer to her as the victim) was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or both, when she was ‘raped’, this provides the accused with a complete defence.

"End of story and a victory for fairness, moderation and common sense!”

His comments have been blasted as “sick”.

 

[bluescreen]

And there, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present the case for the prosecution.

 

[DotCommunist]

no words!
'fairness, moderation and common sense'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-not-rape-woman-drunk-5119029
and 39% of people in the poll agree with him.

he appears to be an author and minor performer too. Many strings to his bow. New book out?

 

[bluescreen]

Book out, tool out: what is WRONG with some people?

 

[bluescreen]

Where is everybody? Why isn't there universal outrage?

 

[phildwyer]

he appears to be an author and minor performer too. Many strings to his bow. New book out?

Of course. He's just sold ten thousand copies by virtue of the Mirror story alone.

Btw, did anyone check out the poll? When I looked, 40% agreed with him. That's 40% of Mirror readers, I wonder what he'd get in the Sun?

 

[phildwyer]

Where is everybody?

Somewhere different from you it would seem.

 

[bluescreen]

Well, thank you for that insight, Prof Dwyer. I trust you aren't on the side of the drunk-women-asking-for-it fuckers.

 

[DotCommunist]

Of course. He's just sold ten thousand copies by virtue of the Mirror story alone.

Btw, did anyone check out the poll? When I looked, 40% agreed with him. That's 40% of Mirror readers, I wonder what he'd get in the Sun?

He's also 71 which means he is in 'I can say whatever the fuck I like because I'll be popping off shortly' territory

some of my nans outbursts ffs...

 

[phildwyer]

Well, thank you for that insight, Prof Dwyer. I trust you aren't on the side of the drunk-women-asking-for-it fuckers.

Obviously not. Where I come from drunk women are never to be trifled with, if one values one's teeth.

 

[toggle]

Where is everybody? Why isn't there universal outrage?

running out of the energy to be outraged at this. it takes a special kind of fuckwit to raise notice these days, this is normal day to day stuff for me. that i've been hearing all my life. from people who cannot understand the difference between mutually drunk sex and rape. and who cannot comprehend that rape isn't the victim's fault.

 

[phildwyer]

He's also 71 which means he is in 'I can say whatever the fuck I like because I'll be popping off shortly' territory

Not quite. He's still at the "better say something outrageous to sell some books or I won't be able to afford my Altzheimer's medication" stage.

 

[toggle]

all the 'no means no' stuff has sunk in to some degree, but what we're left with is people who think only an emphatic NO means no sex. and that they can coerce, or drug, or wait until someone passes out, cause then, they aren't saying NO.

 

[DotCommunist]

this is as good a thread as any to put this, but ffs

How to make an accused rapist look good

 

[bluescreen]

The DPP is pretty clear on this and I think Osborne's outburst can be read as an entitled reaction to it. <snip>

"For too long society has blamed rape victims for confusing the issue of consent - by drinking or dressing provocatively for example - but it is not they who are confused, it is society itself and we must challenge that. Consent to sexual activity is not a grey area - in law it is clearly defined and must be given fully and freely.

"It is not a crime to drink, but it is a crime for a rapist to target someone who is no longer capable of consenting to sex though drink. These tools take us well beyond the old saying "no means no" - it is now well established that many rape victims freeze rather than fight as a protective and coping mechanism. We want police and prosecutors to make sure they ask in every case where consent is the issue - how did the suspect know the complainant was saying yes and doing so freely and knowingly?"

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_n...sent_at_first_joint_national_rape_conference/

 

[phildwyer]

this is as good a thread as any to put this, but ffs

How to make an accused rapist look good

I don't understand any of that. Seems to begin in the middle of things.

 

[DotCommunist]

I don't understand any of that. Seems to begin in the middle of things.

This was the rolling stone article- grim reading warning

it was also part of a couple of other campus rapes coming to light- including one horrific case by the steubenville high school football 'lads' that involved an attempted cover up and smear campaign by the school authorities. There is background to this

 

[phildwyer]

This was the rolling stone article- grim reading warning

it was also part of a couple of other campus rapes coming to light- including one horrific case by the steubenville high school football 'lads' that involved an attempted cover up and smear campaign by the school authorities. There is background to this

Yes, I'm familiar with the UVA and Steubenville cases, also the Duke case, the U of Wisconsin case, the UCLA case and several others. The American fratboy really is a breed apart. This captures that whole scene brilliantly, it's clearly the product of meticulous research:

 

[equationgirl]

I don't understand any of that. Seems to begin in the middle of things.

Then you must be reading something different to me. It's (another) article on how deeply flawed the US college disciplinary process is some colleges when it comes to rape and sexual assault cases, how it makes the rapist looks good.

 

[phildwyer]

The DPP is pretty clear on this and I think Osborne's outburst can be read as an entitled reaction to it.

Btw Bluescreen, I notice that virtually all of your posts are about rape, paedophilia, sex abuse and so on. Not that there's anything wrong with that, necessarily, of course. Is it a particular interest of yours or something?

 

[phildwyer]

Then you must be reading something different to me. It's (another) article on how deeply flawed the US college disciplinary process is some colleges when it comes to rape and sexual assault cases, how it makes the rapist looks good.

That much I grasped. It was the details that were confusing. It's alluding to a whole slew of previous articles with which I'm not familiar.

 

[bluescreen]

What weird prejudice makes me unwilling to think Tom Wolfe can get into the head of a woman?

 

[equationgirl]

That much I grasped. It was the details that were confusing. It's alluding to a whole slew of previous articles with which I'm not familiar.

Some of us on this thread are familiar with them though. The details shouldn't be confusing, especially as you claim to be familiar with a number of similar cases.

 

[bluescreen]

Are you stalking me, phil dwyer? There are some things I know about and post about. Otherwise I just hang about and listen to other people. You have a problem with that?

 

[phildwyer]

Some of us on this thread are familiar with them though. The details shouldn't be confusing, especially as you claim to be familiar with a number of similar cases.

The details of this case seem to be different from the others, as far as I can tell from the article, which isn't very far.

 

[phildwyer]

Are you stalking me, phil dwyer? There are some things I know about and post about. Otherwise I just hang about and listen to other people. You have a problem with that?

Of course not.

It's just a bit unusual is all. Virtually all of your posts, since you joined, are about rape, paedophilia, Ched Evans, Rotherham child rape gangs, Leon Brittan, Cliff Richard, John Peel etc. You don't seem interested in much else. It's an unusual set of interests for a man--and you're quite obviously male.

Care to explain?

 

[bluescreen]

Of course not.

It's just a bit unusual is all. Virtually all of your posts, since you joined, are about rape, paedophilia, Ched Evans, Rotherham child rape gangs, Leon Brittan, Cliff Richard, John Peel etc. You don't seem interested in much else. It's an unusual set of interests for a man--and you're quite obviously male.

Care to explain?

No. Fuck off.

 

[phildwyer]

No. Fuck off.

I'm sorry. I've obviously touched a nerve.

 

[Poot]

running out of the energy to be outraged at this. it takes a special kind of fuckwit to raise notice these days, this is normal day to day stuff for me. that i've been hearing all my life. from people who cannot understand the difference between mutually drunk sex and rape. and who cannot comprehend that rape isn't the victim's fault.

This.

*yawn*

If you read the comments section of any local paper when a woman gets attacked, more than 50% blame the victim in my experience of my own local rag. It's not really a surprise statistically that a barrister should share this vile opinion, nor would it be for a fireman, a florist or a panel beater. Yes, we SHOULD be outraged. But you can't walk about being permanently outraged, it would be exhausting for a start.

 

[bluescreen]

This.

*yawn*

If you read the comments section of any local paper when a woman gets attacked, more than 50% blame the victim in my experience of my own local rag. It's not really a surprise statistically that a barrister should share this vile opinion, nor would it be for a fireman, a florist or a panel beater. Yes, we SHOULD be outraged. But you can't walk about being permanently outraged, it would be exhausting for a start.

Hang about, Poot, isn't expressing our outrage useful? Maybe women might appreciate that kind of solidarity rather than an Oh-no-not-that-again weariness?