A Girl Called Jack... time for action?

[kittyP]

no. I didn't.

Why don't you tell us what you did say, rather than repeatedly saying what you didn't?

I'm up for this conversation but I (and admittedly it's probably my fault) am confused about the OP and what is happening re what you did or didn't say.

Eta: I've just looked back, I didn't quote FM. I can't see the post number as I'm on my phone.

Can someone find my post (last page dated 29th I think) where I quoted what Liam said he didn't say and what he did?

 

[LiamO]

You have'nt told me anything i don't already know here liam and this is a huge fuckin stretch mate,huge,but i really don't have the time typing skills to go into why i almost find this offensive with regards to this subject.Why should we follow the example of someone who comes from her background with regards to this?that's what i'm interested in,how can weepipers workmate replicate this as a way of surviving the onslaught on their living standards,and why should they?No hippy shit now...

I'm off to cuddle the kids. Let's discuss this another time in a less emotionally charged atmosphere. And you can't use 'No hippy shit now' where Frankl is concerned

 

[bamalama]

Her grammar school/chip shop/call centre background?

You're bein a bit defensive here fridge ,i've laid my case out ,albeit in a rush...she a mate of yours?

 

[LiamO]

What about her background do you object to so much?

I don't think even she is saying anyone *should* have to survive on pennies per meal.

Indeed. She ever specifically isn't saying anything of the kind.

 

[Thora]

You're bein a bit defensive here fridge ,i've laid my case out ,albeit in a rush...she a mate of yours?

You keep talking about her background and social capital, but you haven't expanded on what you think is the problem with it?

 

[bamalama]

I'm off to cuddle the kids. Let's discuss this another time in a less emotionally charged atmosphere. And you can't use 'No hippy shit now' where Frankl is concerned

Thats you bein a cheeky cunt then

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You're bein a bit defensive here fridge ,i've laid my case out ,albeit in a rush...she a mate of yours?

What is her background according to you?

 

[LiamO]

Why don't you tell us what you did say, rather than repeatedly saying what you didn't?

I'm up for this conversation but I (and admittedly it's probably my fault) am confused about the OP and what is happening re what you did or didn't say.

tomorrow will have to do. Sorry Kitty.

 

[bamalama]

What is her background according to you?

Have you read the thread,if not please do so...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're bein a bit defensive here fridge ,i've laid my case out ,albeit in a rush...she a mate of yours?

I think you overstated your case, though. My cack-handed reference to Primo Levi was intended to illustrate that. If what she says is sincere, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then what else is there to say? She went through what she says she went through.

That's really as far from Jamie Oliver as you can get.

 

[Frances Lengel]

I would describe surviving on benefits as poverty tbh. They are set at subsistence level, if that.

Living on benefits as a short(ish) term thing though and you've got parents to help you etc, is a lot different from living on benefits when your parents are also on benefits & just getting full payments without loans & fines etc being taken out is a thing to aspire to/dream about. In other words having no safety net whatsoever - That's being poor, when much as she'd like to, your mams in no position to help you, so you really have got no one to depend on except yourself. Like if that was Jack's gig she'd piss about doing a recipe blog. Don't think so.

 

[bamalama]

I think you overstated your case, though. My cack-handed reference to Primo Levi was intended to illustrate that. If what she says is sincere, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then what else is there to say? She went through what she says she went through.

That's really as far from Jamie Oliver as you can get.

You're missing the point lbj

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Have you read the thread,if not please do so...

So you're saying that somebody who went to grammar school, did some low-paid jobs and had to sell her stuff (because that's what's on the thread) can't say anything here.

Don't you think that's an odd thing to say?

 

[Thora]

Living on benefits as a short(ish) term thing though and you've got parents to help you etc, is a lot different from living on benefits when your parents are also on benefits & just getting full payments without loans & fines etc being taken out is a thing to aspire to/dream about. In other words having no safety net whatsoever - That's being poor, when much as she'd like to, your mams in no position to help you, so you really have got no one to depend on except yourself. Like if that was Jack's gig she'd piss about doing a recipe blog. Don't think so.

So the very fact that she is writing a blog means she isn't genuinely poor? I guess there are no genuinely poor people posting on urban either then, or involved in any kind of community/political activism?

 

[LiamO]

Living on benefits as a short(ish) term thing though and you've got parents to help you etc, is a lot different from living on benefits when your parents are also on benefits & just getting full payments without loans & fines etc being taken out is a thing to aspire to/dream about. In other words having no safety net whatsoever - That's being poor, when much as she'd like to, your mams in no position to help you, so you really have got no one to depend on except yourself. Like if that was Jack's gig she'd piss about doing a recipe blog. Don't think so.

Oi dow beeloive thad oi am conseeeederabblaaayy pooo-rah than yooow

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Living on benefits as a short(ish) term thing though and you've got parents to help you etc, is a lot different from living on benefits when your parents are also on benefits & just getting full payments without loans & fines etc being taken out is a thing to aspire to/dream about.

This is very true. And that's why I'm possibly sceptical about the 'fuck it' factor. If you see no possible future except a continuation of what you have now, that does change your motivation.

But where has she said otherwise? I don't know - I'd have to read her blog more thoroughly.

 

[bamalama]

So the very fact that she is writing a blog means she isn't genuinely poor? I guess there are no genuinely poor people posting on urban either then, or involved in any kind of community/political activism?

How many do you know in her position,and why is she in it?

 

[Frances Lengel]

So the very fact that she is writing a blog means she isn't genuinely poor? I guess there are no genuinely poor people posting on urban either then, or involved in any kind of community/political activism?

Why guess that, I never said it anyway.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're missing the point lbj

How? I acknowledge that she didn't reach the point of hopelessness. But it's a caution of despair to say that if you haven't hit the point of hopelessness you can't talk about these things.

The only person with literally no social capital is the drunk on a park bench who can't remember who he is.

 

[bamalama]

So you're saying that somebody who went to grammar school, did some low-paid jobs and had to sell her stuff (because that's what's on the thread) can't say anything here.

Don't you think that's an odd thing to say?

I don't think i've said anything "odd" i do think you're refusing to engage properly with what i am sayin and i've explained it a couple of times.Specifically what is it you don't understand?
edit:fwiw i went to a grammar school in the six counties

 

[Frances Lengel]

Oi dow beeloive thad oi am conseeeederabblaaayy pooo-rah than yooow

Nah chief, I'm richer than you - I wear all nice claires and that. You'd be ashamed to be in my company.

 

[Thora]

Why guess that, I never said it anyway.

You said she's not genuinely poor, because she blogs. I assume you would count posting on a message board as a sign someone isn't genuinely poor too? If not, please explain which activities genuinely poor people do not engage in.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I don't think i've said anything "odd" i do think you're refusing to engage properly with what i am sayin and i've explained it a couple of times.Specifically what is it you don't understand?

What is her background according to you?

 

[fuck seals]

Living on benefits as a short(ish) term thing though and you've got parents to help you etc, is a lot different from living on benefits when your parents are also on benefits & just getting full payments without loans & fines etc being taken out is a thing to aspire to/dream about. In other words having no safety net whatsoever - That's being poor, when much as she'd like to, your mams in no position to help you, so you really have got no one to depend on except yourself. Like if that was Jack's gig she'd piss about doing a recipe blog. Don't think so.

the world is held up by a turtle. & it's turtles all the way down. & only the turtle at the bottom can comment on what it's like to have a turtle on it's back.

this reductio ad absurdum position silences the majority of valid opinions, and is not worthy of your usually insightful posts.

 

[Thora]

How many do you know in her position,and why is she in it?

You want me to tell you how many single mums currently or formerly on benefits I know, and why they are on benefits? Or single? Or both?

 

[bamalama]

What is her background according to you?

Still refusing to engage,still beating the same drum...i cant deal with wilful obstruction...foul

 

[bamalama]

You want me to tell you how many single mums currently or formerly on benefits I know, and why they are on benefits? Or single? Or both?

Her position as a public representative of that demographic in the media

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Still refusing to engage,still beating the same drum...i cant deal with wilful obstruction...foul

Ok, different tack. If what she says happened to her in that period of her life is genuine, and that she felt forced to feed herself and her child on a tenner a week, and sell her stuff and the rest of it, what about her blog is not genuine or worthwhile?

 

[bamalama]

You said she's not genuinely poor, because she blogs. I assume you would count posting on a message board as a sign someone isn't genuinely poor too? If not, please explain which activities genuinely poor people do not engage in.

You're missing the point thora

 

[Thora]

Her position as a public representative of that demographic in the media

I don't know any single mums on benefits who wrote a successful blog, no. In fact I don't know anyone who wrote a successful blog.

Do you know something about this woman that the rest of us don't?