9/11 media happenings
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Anyone see about the elevated highway in San Francisco which collapsed in the last couple of days?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=451656&in_page_id=1811
Claims are being made that it collapsed because when the tanker caught fire the
No way would burning petrol weaken steel so much that it collapsed ... it MUST have been controlled demolition!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=451656&in_page_id=1811
Claims are being made that it collapsed because when the tanker caught fire the
No way would burning petrol weaken steel so much that it collapsed ... it MUST have been controlled demolition!
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
fela doesn't believe in things like evidence or experimentation unless he sees it personally. Doesn't believe in 'experts' either, which must make going to the Dr difficult...
editor said:
Gives in more like. Time and time again on 911 threads you reduce yourself to describing me (in not particularly savoury terms) rather than engage with what i say.
Now, we all know why debaters attack the messenger rather than the message. Ya lost again editor.
MikeMcc said:
There may well be, but where's the blind faith? Who's indulging in it?
But, look, 'a large body of evidence'. Here we go again, 'large' this time. And is this or any amount of evidence available to those that have decided to believe it?
Believing something or someone is a dangerous road to go down. Would you not agree mike?
kyser_soze said:
Kyser: fela fan's spokesman.
But a faulty spokesman. I sack you. Regarding 'experts' i refuse to just take their word for it. Now ksyer you may deduce this is somewhat different to 'doesn't believe' them.
And then there's science which i'm happy to accept.
There's so much bullshit spinning this world on its axis i'm happy with the way i approach it all, thank you.
It is not a dangerous road to go down. I can seperate the physical description of the events from the political exploitation of them.fela fan said:
I believe that the Earth goes around the sun, yet I only have belief in the evidence available to astronomers because their explanations are sensible within the framework of my knowledge. Similarly I believe the expalnation from NIST / ASCE / NTSB, etc because it is the best 'fit' to the information available. There will never be a 'perfect' explanation because mch of the evidence of internal damage and the actual collapse was hidden from view.
The difference between the 'official story' and the various conspiraloon alternatives is that it produces the fewest questions and doubts.
Paul Marsh
NeitherWashingtonNorMecca
I wondered what any of the 9/11 "truth" activistrs on here thought of the excellent article about their 'movement' in the current Total:Spec magazine?
MikeMcc said:
I beg to differ. Belief, blind belief even, has brought us the cult of religions and allowed politics to take the major role in organising our lives. Both are divisive, and both bring us perpetual war on our planet.
Belief has brought us God, and accordingly we never take ultimate responsibility for our own lives. God'll fix it.
Believing (or just accepting; maybe the same) the polis, or experts, or religious preachers, is great news for them. To question them at all turns is one of the few positive ways forward for our more than dangerous road.
I think you are arguing my point for me there!fela fan said:
I don't believe in any god because it requires blind faith with no supporting evidence. That is very different from acceptance of the explanation about the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, a situation which, IMO, is reasonable within the framework of my knowledge of physical and engineering principles.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
laptop said:
Incoherant plots, non sequiturs, rambling narrative, pointless divertions, and mindless drivel, you could be describing loose change or lost highway.
Lost Highway has hot girl on girl action in it, which improves it immensely.
Fela Fan said:
Paging Felaa Fan, paging Fela Fan, there's call for you from Mr Irony!
MikeMcc said:I think you are arguing my point for me there!
I don't believe in any god because it requires blind faith with no supporting evidence. That is very different from acceptance of the explanation about the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, a situation which, IMO, is reasonable within the framework of my knowledge of physical and engineering principles.
I have no time for the explosion theory of the towers, precisely coz of this belief thing. I just cannot know, and therefore i have never really bothered with this aspect. I do have mates though who i respect for their intelligence who assure me the towers were brought down with explosives. But it's not enough for me.
Incidentally i'm almost certain that the 911 attacks were an inside job. That's not about belief, it's about reasoned calculation taking into account various and varied factors using my own personal knowledge and experience. But i don't know for sure, but i don't care. I don't think we will ever get the true picture. I'd love it to come out, for the simple reason that i think it would completely change the face of politics and how we humans organise ourselves.
For the better.
That's my interest in 911.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
To be honest if Bush and Co were able to organise a hughly complex operation like 9/11 how come they were'nt able to organise the simple job of planting a few WMDs in Iraq and why an overlaberate plot involving airliners and thousands of witnesses,a few lorries parked around New York packed with massive amounts of semptex would have been just as effective.Why did they use S.Arabian highjackers?Why not a few Iraqis with a few Iranians thrown in?
While caualy scanning the picture posted by Laptop on the previous page (the bridge in Frisco) I noticed somthing very unusual !!!
So, with help from a few buddies from the "conspiracies is fun .com " they computer enhanced the picture and I think you will all agree that there is something very dodgy about a little man standing next to a red box with a plunger on it and a black lead that goes to the bridge ????
AND !!! If you look closely you can see another "Black Lead" going straight to those big Blue gas cylinders (I've put arrows on the picture to make it easy to see
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Those blue gas cylinders may seem "ordinary gas cylinders" to you and me, but it's obvious to the expert and highly tuned eye of the Experts (both of them) at the "conspiracy stuff is fun club" that those "Blue Gas Cylinders" are really full of highly explosive stuff that goes through black leads and is obviously used to blow up bridges!!!!
So, with help from a few buddies from the "conspiracies is fun .com " they computer enhanced the picture and I think you will all agree that there is something very dodgy about a little man standing next to a red box with a plunger on it and a black lead that goes to the bridge ????
AND !!! If you look closely you can see another "Black Lead" going straight to those big Blue gas cylinders (I've put arrows on the picture to make it easy to see
) Those blue gas cylinders may seem "ordinary gas cylinders" to you and me, but it's obvious to the expert and highly tuned eye of the Experts (both of them) at the "conspiracy stuff is fun club" that those "Blue Gas Cylinders" are really full of highly explosive stuff that goes through black leads and is obviously used to blow up bridges!!!!
Gingerman said:
Anything requiring intelligence, bush most certinanly could not organise. Assuming it was an inside job, there was no need to have bush in on it at all. Indeed, if it was an inside job the planning began well before he assumed the office of puppets.
But your questions are pertinent, and in trying to find answers it certainly make LIHOP much less likely than MIHOP.
Incidentally they didn't need to plant any WMD in iraq, they only needed to pretend they were there. The media and most of the american public lapped it up. Why go to the bother when lying is enough?
Just imagine if you will that cia operatives are embedded in many countries of the world. They're not easy to spot coz, for example, in pakistan, they are pakistanis, in saudi, they are saudis, and so on. Imagine again, that obl was the cia's operative in saudi. Just get him to do all the organising, tell him this is a new cia operation, and get him to do it all, get locals to volunteer for the mission.
Of course we do know that he used to work for the cia, and we are told he organised it all. This easily sits with MIHOP. And we do know for a fact that within minutes of the attacks being over, the americans were informing the world that obl was responsible...
We also know that the US happily helped out saddam hussein until such a time as he was no longer of any use, and bingo, take him out. The same could be said for obl... and interestingly after bush declaring obl was wanted dead or alive after the attacks, and was america's most wanted man, the US basically never went after him. They stopped the search.
MIHOP is actually very easy, and only needed a few americans to be involved at the beginning. To get an idea who those americans might have been, check out PNAC and their mission statement...
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
fela fan said:
Why yes lets assume, it's so much better to grab assumptions out of thin air than to support anything we say with anything so much as a fact.
Don't suppose you have anything as concrete as a fact to support this? Nah didn't think so.
See my post above, don't suppose you have anything, anything at all to support this?
Because hey Bin laden hadn't publically declared war in America and hadn't attacked the WTC before...
They've got thousands of troops in Afghanistan that would beg to differ.
Oh for fucks sake this retarded nonsense, I've actually read the PNAC document, they're discussing information technology usage by the US government.
So Fela Fan to be clear by your constant usage of the word "Imagine" and "assume", you've got nothing aside from your purile day dreams about what happened on Sept 11th. Hmmm what was it you said about "Blind Belief", you believe a MIHOP you just don't have anything as troublesome as a fact to support your blind belief.
"Day dream, I fell asleep among the flowers, for a couple of hours..."
tarannau said:
I post what i post tarannau, just like you do. But what is it with you that feels the need to be judging me eh? Is it your job? Is it your nature?
Incidentally if a post displays no substance whatsoever, then my reply can understandably not bother with any too.
editor said:
And i forgot:
But do tell me, what is there to find that is located beyond the joke territory? If someone goes there, like you say i have, then what does it look like? How can it be recognised? Just so that interested posters can avoid it if it's not very enticing like.
editor said:
I"ve not judged the man, i've observed exactly what he is, based on his very naive questions to me in that post of his.
He is most certainly just into his adult years. That has become apparent from his comments aimed my way over the last few weeks. Just look at his byline...
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