7/7 survivor begins 200-mile trek on prosthetic legs

[Bakunin]

Her website is far less a moralistic fable about stoic endurance than this thread! I got nothin' against the lady - I got everything against the way her cause was represented by editor on the first page of this thread, and subsequently!



Which is exactly my point! And how many times have I seen/read this moral fable before?

The point is (and this may be just media spin) that this woman is now representing more than just the issue she purports, but also as an 'example' to others. Look at me, if even I can do this, then *you* have no excuse...

Guilt-tripping people into feeling lazy *is* *not* *a* *healthy* *way* of achieving your stated political goals - and infact, what this achieves in reality is to bind her cause to that of the establishment. What establishment figure wouldn't jump at the chance to be associated with Ms Hick's campaign? It gives *exactly* the kind of message they wish to push forward.

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority. 'I forgive you'. In political terms, what she is doing is throwing down the gauntlet - if 'I' can do it, so can you! - and in the same breath, she is also simplifying a tension which is infact intertwined with centuries of economic and Imperial dominance and everyday otherworldy brutality into some kind of personalistic love-fest. As though the the real tension is actually between different British communities, and not between Western foreign policy and a globally scapegoated minority.

Do you actually believe any of that toss?

 

[Das Uberdog]

All of it. Where do you disagree?

 

[Bakunin]

All of it. Where do you disagree?

Her website is far less a moralistic fable about stoic endurance than this thread! I got nothin' against the lady - I got everything against the way her cause was represented by editor on the first page of this thread, and subsequently!



Which is exactly my point! And how many times have I seen/read this moral fable before?

The point is (and this may be just media spin) that this woman is now representing more than just the issue she purports, but also as an 'example' to others. Look at me, if even I can do this, then *you* have no excuse...

Guilt-tripping people into feeling lazy *is* *not* *a* *healthy* *way* of achieving your stated political goals - and infact, what this achieves in reality is to bind her cause to that of the establishment. What establishment figure wouldn't jump at the chance to be associated with Ms Hick's campaign? It gives *exactly* the kind of message they wish to push forward.

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority. 'I forgive you'. In political terms, what she is doing is throwing down the gauntlet - if 'I' can do it, so can you! - and in the same breath, she is also simplifying a tension which is infact intertwined with centuries of economic and Imperial dominance and everyday otherworldy brutality into some kind of personalistic love-fest. As though the the real tension is actually between different British communities, and not between Western foreign policy and a globally scapegoated minority.

It's hardly a moral fable, as has been explained to you, the hard of thinking, on more than one occasion.

And who are you to talk about the best way to achieve political goals? After all your little mob have been pretty conspicuous for their lack of succes in just about every endeavour they've attempted. Not only that, they've fucked up a lot of efforts that could have gone somewhere if it hadn't been for the appearance of a load of fuckwitted Trotbots turning up to spoil things.

It may surprise you, with your obviously limited grasp of how politics works, that mainstream politico's will always try and jump on a popular bandwagon. Something Swappies know all about, usually to the cost of other activists.

And we all need upbraiding about being lazy and slothful at times. A lot of people have benefitted from that and I should know because I'm one of them and I'm not alone. If it's done properly it's not a guilt trip at all, it's simply a reminder that things aren't as bad as they may seem and that there are others far worse off. That can be a very effective motivator for a lot of people, I know because I've been there.

And stop spouting the CC 'line' or whatever trash they've obviously been feeding you this week. It makes you look like you can't think for yourself without a senior Robotrot to punch in your commands for the week and doesn't go over well with anyone who recognises the pattern. I do, and that's because I'm a former member of your party and know where some of the skeletons are buried.

 

[Das Uberdog]

The CC have no 'line' on Gill Hicks. Gill Hicks is not a member of the group in society which is currently being discriminated against in any serious way. It's quite alright for her to preach her message of toleration and acceptance, whilst the true inspirations for the attacks of 7th July are still being perpetrated across the world.

And the point is not that politicians won't just jump on any bandwagon, it's that Gill Hicks has provided the grounding for a bandwagon they would actually feel 'comfortable' boarding.

 

[belboid]

the disabled aren't being discriminated against in any serious way???

You are James Purnell, and I claim my five pounds.

 

[Bakunin]

Gill Hicks is not a member of the group in society which is currently being discriminated against in any serious way.

And the point is not that politicians won't just jump on any bandwagon, it's that Gill Hicks has provided the grounding for a bandwagon they would actually feel 'comfortable' boarding.

Then I suggest you develop a disability of some kind, live with it for a few years and then say we're not discriminated against in any serious way. Becuase, as someone listed as disabled and having experienced discrimination on a regular basis, I can safely say that we ARE discriminated against in all manner of ways and any disabled person, be their disability physical or mental, will be able to tell you the same.

And so what if some political hacks jump aboard her bandwagon. After all the Swappies have never leapt from one bandwagon to another like a demented tree frog, now have they. Or perhaps you're ignorant of one of the reasons why your lot are called Swappies in the first place.

 

[Das Uberdog]

I wasn't talking in terms of disability (which is clear for anyone who hasn't recently been lobotomised) - I was talking about her in terms of her being a White Brit. Hence the references to her being a 'White woman', blah blah blah, etcetera.

 

[belboid]

Are you really that thick/dishonest?

I mean, clearly her disability has absolutely nothing to do with her undertaking this walk.

 

[Das Uberdog]

Are you even trying to read what I'm writing, or just purposefully blotting out of your vision all but those individual words you feel you can make an issue with?

 

[Bakunin]

I wasn't talking in terms of disability (which is clear for anyone who hasn't recently been lobotomised) - I was talking about her in terms of her being a White Brit. Hence the references to her being a 'White woman', blah blah blah, etcetera.

White Brit or not, she will still face discrimination because of her disability. Discrimination is discrimination, it doesn't matter whether you're white, black, yellow or whatever race, religion, sexuality or anything else. It's one of the bitter ironies of being part of any group that isn't within the mainstream, there will be discrimination of some degree, be it overt or casual, levelled at you at some point as surely as night follows day.

And, whether you like it or not, while you personally may bot be inspired by what this lady is doing, I am and so will a great many other people as well. And if it brings people together and encourages greater cohesion and mutual respect between communities then so much the better.

 

[belboid]

dont avoid the issue - I read your utter piffle, and your claim that her disability is irrelevant/not the point is utterly laughable. Be a grown up and admit your mistake (and go and tidy your bedroom while your about it )

 

[poster342002]

I wasn't talking in terms of disability (which is clear for anyone who hasn't recently been lobotomised) - I was talking about her in terms of her being a White Brit. Hence the references to her being a 'White woman', blah blah blah, etcetera.

It's always got to revolve around race, hasn' it?

 

[editor]

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority. 'I forgive you'.

I must have missed the bit where she said that's what she was doing. Perhaps you could provide a link for that?

Oh, and when you've finished all your sneering, belittling and discrediting of a woman who deserves far better than your clueless scorn, maybe you could share with us some examples of your recent positive acts, just so we could learn how it should be done?

 

[Bakunin]

I must have missed the bit where she said that's what she was doing. Perhaps you could provide a link for that?

Oh, and when you've finished all your sneering, belittling and discrediting of a woman who deserves far better than your clueless scorn, maybe you could share with us some examples of your recent positive acts, just so we could learn how it should be done?

Didn't we both ask for this yesterday?

And the day before that, come to think of it?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Healthy skepticism is one thing, but why are people feeding the troll?

 

[Das Uberdog]

dont avoid the issue - I read your utter piffle, and your claim that her disability is irrelevant/not the point is utterly laughable. Be a grown up and admit your mistake (and go and tidy your bedroom while your about it )

I didn't make a mistake - develop an adult reading standard and quote me wrong.

all your sneering, belittling and discrediting of a woman

What have I said to deserve this slander?! Quote, please!

just so we could learn how it should be done

'tis irrelevent to anything I've said, really - apart from the fact that it entirely validates my argument through and through that you'd even ask

 

[belboid]

develop an adult reading standard and quote me wrong.

quote you wrong? why would i want to that? what a strange little boy

 

[editor]

'tis irrelevent to anything I've said, really - apart from the fact that it entirely validates my argument through and through that you'd even ask

So you truly do have nothing but sneering, belittling and discrediting to offer?

What a sad case you are. All mouth and no trousers.

 

[Badger Kitten]

She's not a Brit.

She is an Aussie.

As if that has anything to do with anything, ffs.

And what politicians have jumped on her bandwagon?

Arse.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Her website is far less a moralistic fable about stoic endurance than this thread! I got nothin' against the lady - I got everything against the way her cause was represented by editor on the first page of this thread, and subsequently!

If you want to find out what she represents, read the website and look her up for yourself.

Which is exactly my point! And how many times have I seen/read this moral fable before?

I have no idea and it is irrelevant, because you are the one who has decided it is a 'moral fable'. It isn't a moral fable. It is someone doing a difficult thing that they believe in to try to bring about dialogue and to do something practical to bring about peace.

The point is (and this may be just media spin) that this woman is now representing more than just the issue she purports

,


Purports? Her sincerity and courage are genuine; there is no 'purporting' about it.

but also as an 'example' to others. Look at me, if even I can do this, then *you* have no excuse...

Guilt-tripping people into feeling lazy *is* *not* *a* *healthy* *way* of achieving your stated political goals -

This is just projection from you. You feel guilty, whatever, what's that got to do with her walk?

and infact, what this achieves in reality is to bind her cause to that of the establishment.

No it doesn't. If her cause and motives strike a chord with a lot of people, maybe that is because they are laudable and, erm, right?

What establishment figure wouldn't jump at the chance to be associated with Ms Hick's campaign? It gives *exactly* the kind of message they wish to push forward.

The walk is for ordinary people. Not 'the establishment'. If someone who has a job in the establishment wants to join in, they can. She works on a voluntary basis for an independent small charity devoted to grassroots peace and reconciliation initiatives.

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority.

Oh here we go. Get over it. She's an Aussie, she was on a train, she lost her legs, she's walking to bring people together to get them to join her on her walk and talking to each other.

'I forgive you'.

She has said she forgives THE BOMBER. She has never said she forgives Muslims as there is no need to say it. Stop making stuff up that simply is not there.

In political terms, what she is doing is throwing down the gauntlet - if 'I' can do it, so can you!

She is doing something practical to promote dialogue and compassion and understanding. Anyone can do that, can work for peace. She is doing it this way, her way. She is trying to get people to think what they could do.

- and in the same breath, she is also simplifying a tension which is infact intertwined with centuries of economic and Imperial dominance and everyday otherworldy brutality into some kind of personalistic love-fest.

It's a walk. It's something she believes in. What would you have her do? Convert to Islam? Go live in Gaza? Stay at home and wring her hands?

As though the the real tension is actually between different British communities, and not between Western foreign policy and a globally scapegoated minority.

She is trying to get ordinary people to talk to each other, to think and to listen and to mix it up a bit. What can she do about Western foreign policy? She can do this. She is doing it. Stop carping, and go and do something inspiring and thoughtful yourself.

 

[Das Uberdog]

I've made it clear I have no problem with her, you stupid dipshit, what I hate is the moralising which goes hand in hand with the way this story has been presented to me, in the form of this thread.

Go take your misconceptions elsewhere kitty-cat.

 

[belboid]

the only thing you have made clear, dear heart, is that you are a class a fuckwit

 

[editor]

I didn't make a mistake - develop an adult reading standard and quote me wrong.

Shame that you then went on to prove your own lack of reading skills by getting the nationality of the woman wrong by a factor of some 10,000 miles.

Self-pwned!

 

[Marsh]

I've made it clear I have no problem with her, you stupid dipshit,

All your posts on this thread say otherwise, you write her off as either irrelevant or as some dupe who is somehow being used by politicians for their own ends.

what I hate is the moralising which goes hand in hand with the way this story has been presented to me, in the form of this thread.

Well who has forced you to read this thread or forced you to contribute (if one can call your posts a 'contribution') to it, no one.

If it bothers you that much don't read the thread. Yet you keep moaning in the most pathetic fashion about how other people's posts offends/irritates you.

You really have shown yourself to be a sad, pathetic class A cunt.

 

[Badger Kitten]

This woman is a fucking hero.

+pukes+

I've made it clear I have no problem with her, you stupid dipshit, what I hate is the moralising which goes hand in hand with the way this story has been presented to meeeeee, meeeeeeee, meeeee, what about meeeeeeeeee, in the form of this thread.

Go take your misconceptions elsewhere kitty-cat.

How about you go and fuck the fuck off this thread if you are experiencing other people's expressed admiration for a brave human being as being somehow too oppressively ghastly for you to bear, dear?

 

[Das Uberdog]

lulz at t3h m0r0nz

You can't even quote me to prove I was sneering or belittling - nice one, guyz - once again urban has been conclusively pwned by the D-Dawg.

 

[Bakunin]

lulz at t3h m0r0nz

You can't even quote me to prove I was sneering or offensive - nice one, guyz - once again urban has been conclusively pwned by the D-Dawg.

Even by Swappie standard, which it has to be said are pretty high (see 'There's never been a better time to be a scoialist' and such other gems from the SWP CC) your powers of self-delusion are simply stunning.

Yes, The Force is strong in this one.

 

[editor]

Even by Swappie standard, which it has to be said are pretty high (see 'There's never been a better time to be a scoialist' and such other gems from the SWP CC) your powers of self-delusion are simply stunning.

Is he a SWPer?

LOL! That explains a lot.

 

[Bakunin]

Is he a SWPer?

LOL! That explains a lot.

He is indeed.

And, for some strange and unknown reason, he has yet to respond to repeated requests for details of his own startling achievements that will no doubt put all humanity in the shade.

Funny that.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

lulz at t3h m0r0nz

You can't even quote me to prove I was sneering or belittling - nice one, guyz - once again urban has been conclusively pwned by the D-Dawg.

So you didn't post that she hadn't even thrown herself on the bomb to save her fellow passengers? That seemed to be both belittling and sneering in a particualrly obtuse manner.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice