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7/7 survivor begins 200-mile trek on prosthetic legs

You're like those pricks that gatecrash 7/7 survivor meetings to start shouting everyone out so they can push their "me! me! me!" loony agenda. I find it quite shameful to be honest.

Except I dont and I wouldnt.

[/QUOTE]This thread isn't about you or your exciting theories and opinions on 7/7. It's about Gill Hicks who is walking 200-miles from Leeds to London on prosthetic legs as part of a campaign to unite communities.[/QUOTE]

Well there are lots of great people doing great things to unite communities.
It is you that highlighted the 7/7 aspect by making it the first words in the title.It wasnt "person with prosthetics starts 200 mile walk" but "7/7 victim".

Why is that status so special beyond any other victim of severe violence
and tragedy? (this is a rhetorical btw)

The victims deserve better. We deserve better. I will not post on this matter on this thread again, but any time I try to highlight issues surrounding the attacks which define so much of our contemporary politics, and not least Ms Hicks physical suffering, I am greatly flamed. I do find it weird.
 
Well there are lots of great people doing great things to unite communities.
It is you that highlighted the 7/7 aspect by making it the first words in the title.It wasnt "person with prosthetics starts 200 mile walk" but "7/7 victim".

Why is that status so special beyond any other victim of severe violence
and tragedy? (this is a rhetorical btw)
Perhaps you should try and read the linked article first.
 
How is she "brave" you lunatic!?

Because she's doing something physically and mentally challenging in the 'real world' not just imaging she's being tough in cyber space?

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DU psyching himself up earlier today.

Louis MacNeice
 
Ooooh, I feel so *burned*

For the record (and though I'm not going to get drawn into this pseudo issue) you know very little about wht I do in the real world, what feats of endurance I have grappled with and for what causes. As said, the more you focus on this bogus POV, however, the more you prove me right. This woman isn't 'brave' - it's not like she frickin' sat on the tube bomb to save a carriage of passengers - infact, I bet you if she could have gone back and avoided having her legs blown off she would probably fucking do it. She was the victim of a horrific event, bravery don't even come into it. Quit with this sickeningly moral narrative about stoic endurance and courage - if you give a shit about the issue, why don't you chizzle about that instead?
 
Ooooh, I feel so *burned*

For the record (and though I'm not going to get drawn into this pseudo issue) you know very little about wht I do in the real world, what feats of endurance I have grappled with and for what causes. As said, the more you focus on this bogus POV, however, the more you prove me right. This woman isn't 'brave' - it's not like she frickin' sat on the tube bomb to save a carriage of passengers - infact, I bet you if she could have gone back and avoided having her legs blown off she would probably fucking do it. She was the victim of a horrific event, bravery don't even come into it. Quit with this sickeningly moral narrative about stoic endurance and courage - if you give a shit about the issue, why don't you chizzle about that instead?

Nice post DU; that has got to be one of your best!

By the way brave means being able or ready to face and endure danger or pain. Both confronting the issues around community cohesion and walking 200 miles could well be potentially very painful for this woman. She is brave. You are a shouty fool.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

p.s. go on tell us about your feats of endurance.:D
 
How is she "brave" you lunatic!?
'Brave' means "Possessing or displaying courage; able to face and deal with danger or fear without flinching."

I'd be pretty fucking scared committing to a 200 mile long walk in the full glare of publicity after having my legs blown off a few years ago, and there's no question that such a big commitment takes courage.

But seeing as you see fit to keep coming back to sneer and belittle, perhaps you could regale us with details of what you've done recently to try and make a positive difference? So what have you done, keyboard warrior?

Anything?
 
'Brave' means "Possessing or displaying courage; able to face and deal with danger or fear without flinching."

I'd be pretty fucking scared committing to a 200 mile long walk in the full glare of publicity after having my legs blown off a few years ago, and there's no question that such a big commitment takes courage.

But seeing as you see fit to keep coming back to sneer and belittle, perhaps you could regale us with details of what you've done recently to try and make a positive difference? So what have you done, keyboard warrior?

Anything?


If another of his postings is any guide then he'll have been out and about dropping litter to make sure the city has 'character'; tough work I know but we should be glad that someone's willing to do it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Ooooh, I feel so *burned*

For the record (and though I'm not going to get drawn into this pseudo issue) you know very little about wht I do in the real world, what feats of endurance I have grappled with and for what causes. As said, the more you focus on this bogus POV, however, the more you prove me right. This woman isn't 'brave' - it's not like she frickin' sat on the tube bomb to save a carriage of passengers - infact, I bet you if she could have gone back and avoided having her legs blown off she would probably fucking do it. She was the victim of a horrific event, bravery don't even come into it. Quit with this sickeningly moral narrative about stoic endurance and courage - if you give a shit about the issue, why don't you chizzle about that instead?

It's hardly a pseudo-issue, just that you, in all likelihood, haven't done anything remotely as courageous or important as this woman has and you don't have anything under your belt to compare it with.

'Brave' means "Possessing or displaying courage; able to face and deal with danger or fear without flinching."

I'd be pretty fucking scared committing to a 200 mile long walk in the full glare of publicity after having my legs blown off a few years ago, and there's no question that such a big commitment takes courage.

But seeing as you see fit to keep coming back to sneer and belittle, perhaps you could regale us with details of what you've done recently to try and make a positive difference? So what have you done, keyboard warrior?

Anything?

I recall having asked Das UberDick this yesterday and didn't get a response. So I won't be holding my breath for one now.
 
If another of his postings is any guide then he'll have been out and about dropping litter to make sure the city has 'character'; tough work I know but we should be glad that someone's willing to do it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice


Would that litter consist of unsold copies of Socialist Worker, by any chance?
 
editor said:
I'd be pretty fucking scared committing to a 200 mile long walk in the full glare of publicity after having my legs blown off a few years ago

I genuinely don't understand why, as I totally wouldn't!

Perhaps you're just a pussy?

Bakunin said:
Would that litter consist of unsold copies of Socialist Worker, by any chance?

HO-HO-HO

Learned to read, yet?

Oh, and for the record; 'Das Uberdick'
 
Ooooh, I feel so *burned*

For the record (and though I'm not going to get drawn into this pseudo issue) you know very little about wht I do in the real world, what feats of endurance I have grappled with and for what causes. As said, the more you focus on this bogus POV, however, the more you prove me right. This woman isn't 'brave' - it's not like she frickin' sat on the tube bomb to save a carriage of passengers - infact, I bet you if she could have gone back and avoided having her legs blown off she would probably fucking do it. She was the victim of a horrific event, bravery don't even come into it. Quit with this sickeningly moral narrative about stoic endurance and courage - if you give a shit about the issue, why don't you chizzle about that instead?


She was the victim of a horrific event, yes, and what she has done afterwards has taken immense bravery: dedicating her time to working for practical peace, being an ambassador for for a peace charity, talking to people, inspiring them, bringing them together, refusing to be angry, engaging people, and doing the physically and emotionally gruelling challenge of WALKTALK, which is not just about her walking but about walking into communities and lives and trying to bring people together to talk and to listen to each other.

It is not ''brave'' to be disabled, it is what you do with your life, disabled or not that is important, and she has done staggering things, painful things, frightening things, out of love, and a desire to make the world a better place.

That is heroic.

And you can go and fuck yourself, frankly.
 
Ooooh, I feel so *burned*

For the record (and though I'm not going to get drawn into this pseudo issue) you know very little about wht I do in the real world, what feats of endurance I have grappled with and for what causes. As said, the more you focus on this bogus POV, however, the more you prove me right. This woman isn't 'brave' - it's not like she frickin' sat on the tube bomb to save a carriage of passengers - infact, I bet you if she could have gone back and avoided having her legs blown off she would probably fucking do it. She was the victim of a horrific event, bravery don't even come into it. Quit with this sickeningly moral narrative about stoic endurance and courage - if you give a shit about the issue, why don't you chizzle about that instead?

I'd agree that she didn't choose what happened to her, and if she could go back , she'd probably avoid the whole thing if possible.

But so what? That's not what happened.

Most people who suffer a major disability end up living pretty restricted lives, for reasons both physical and emotional. What makes her, and the kid I mentioned, different, is that first of all they aren't sitting there focusing inward, maybe feeling sorry for themselves, and second, they are attempting to take the situation and do something that is greater than themselves.

Most people are complaining when they have to walk up an extra flight of stairs, and they have two legs.

It's good to read about people like this, because it helps affirm that it's possible for us to be something more than what we usually are.
 
This lady certainly is impressive. I wonder if getting a public independent investigation into the events would be tougher than the physical challenge she has set herself.


Some of us are on it and have been for 2.5 years. Not that the fucking conspiracy theory posse are helping AT ALL. In fact, their lunacy is damaging the campaign which could do without being in any way linked with the frothing, lazy, paranoid stupidity that passes for 'scepticism'
 
I genuinely don't understand why, as I totally wouldn't!

Perhaps you're just a pussy?



HO-HO-HO

Learned to read, yet?

Oh, and for the record; 'Das Uberdick'

Your attempts to be Urban75's resident 'shock jock' really aren't panning out quite as you'd hoped, are they?

You don't seem to have grasped that there are so many genuine problems in the world, problems that your little mob couldn't come within a country mile of solving even on their best day, that your coming on here and slating someone who has more courage in their little finger than you probably do in your entire body really isn't on at all.

Oh, and by the way, will you be having YOUR legs blown off and then make a 200 mile march for a decent and important cause any time soon? Because, if you're obviously not, then you've got no grounds for slating someone who IS going to do that.

Come to think of it, you've been asked twice what your own accomplishments are, and how they stack up next to this lady's, and surprise surprise, you have yet to answer that simple (but for you, oh so difficult) question. Any chance of a believable and credible answer some time soon?
 
And whatever you may say about it, when an able-bodied person performs a feat of physical endurance they're rarely a 'hero' - it's impressive, and more than not it's just a gimmick. If the title of this thread was 'Victim of 7/7 bombings embarks on campaign to unite communities' then my response would have been 'good for her'. As it stands, the equal ops PC brigade in the media and in society can't help but gush out all the motivational aspirational bollocks about her disability that comes with it.
Am I the only one here who can see what you are getting at?

I have alot of admiration for Gill Hicks, she's made a remarkable recovery.

But at the same time, there are thousands of carers of disabled kids and adults, doing the job day in, day out, without a word of complaint. They too are "heroes".
 
I genuinely don't understand why, as I totally wouldn't!

Perhaps you're just a pussy?
And you've just lost, little boy.
It's good to read about people like this, because it helps affirm that it's possible for us to be something more than what we usually are.
Shame that's a concept our do-nothing, resident wannabe shockjock fails to comprehend.
Come to think of it, you've been asked twice what your own accomplishments are, and how they stack up next to this lady's, and surprise surprise, you have yet to answer that simple (but for you, oh so difficult) question. Any chance of a believable and credible answer some time soon?
I'm still waiting too.
 
Some of us are on it and have been for 2.5 years. Not that the fucking conspiracy theory posse are helping AT ALL. In fact, their lunacy is damaging the campaign which could do without being in any way linked with the frothing, lazy, paranoid stupidity that passes for 'scepticism'

So I understand. Good luck. Scepticism towards a government that doesnt
publicly look into the worst peacetime attacks in our lifetimes strikes me as neither paranoid, stupid or frothing. There are also reasonable questions about the events that are neither of those things, though I wont repeat them here, you have heard them all I am sure.

I have no real theory to advance because that possibility would require more evidence: Evidence the state thinks we too insignificant to know, while they set about destroying our liberties on the back of victims suffering and public fear.

I said I wouldnt comment on the matter on this thread again, but this is a direct to your comments. Ill leave it at that. Good luck again. Thanks.
 
Well she is obviously plucky taking on that walk, good luck to her, I hope she achieves what she wants out of it.

from the op said:
..... "That morning on 7 July, I was saved by many people. "It didn't matter about my faith, how much money I had or whether I was male or female, I was simply a human being and I think that will always live with me as a great example of having faith in each other."

I think that is an interesting thing to say. I mean why would people not help, whoever they are and whoever you are.

I have long thought that we all look out for each other. Whenever I have broken down or had accidents (all over the world) people (the people that were there) have always helped me. Whenever I have been ill, people have been there to look out for me and to help me. Whenever I have been threatenned people have appeared as if from nowhere and helped me.

And I do the same for others, if there is an ill person, someone in a crash, injured, lost, broken down, ill. whatever, I don't walk by, I stop and I help. The vast majority of people the world over do this!

I am convinced that we in general do look out for the people around us, we watch them and if they need help we intervene, they in their turn watch out for us.
 
I think that is an interesting thing to say. I mean why would people not help, whoever they are and whoever you are.

Well yes in a sense its a shame it needs saying, but it does, as we live in a world where some thrive by exploiting the divisions between people. Terrorist propaganda, the media, and individuals on the internet, can point out and poison the differences between people to such an extent, that messages of human solidarity and unity are much needed to bring some small rebalance to our sense of humanity.
 
I understand where DU's cynicism is coming from, I don't agree, but I would want to know how exactly he would deal with the situation if he was Gill Hicks?
 
I understand where DU's cynicism is coming from...

It's a just product Uberpuppy's youth. Many 14-year-olds respond to many things by claiming to vomit or to want to vomit.

In fact, it is usually just alcohol-induced gastroenteritis that makes them puke.

After a few years, they grow out of claiming to want to vomit. They find other ways of expressing themselves. Some of them even learn to drink without getting ill.

The Trot paper-selling habit doesn't usually last very long either.
 
Badja Kitty said:
...before you go carping on like a twat

Her website is far less a moralistic fable about stoic endurance than this thread! I got nothin' against the lady - I got everything against the way her cause was represented by editor on the first page of this thread, and subsequently!

Johnny Canuck2 said:
It's good to read about people like this, because it helps affirm that it's possible for us to be something more than what we usually are.

Which is exactly my point! And how many times have I seen/read this moral fable before?

The point is (and this may be just media spin) that this woman is now representing more than just the issue she purports, but also as an 'example' to others. Look at me, if even I can do this, then *you* have no excuse...

Guilt-tripping people into feeling lazy *is* *not* *a* *healthy* *way* of achieving your stated political goals - and infact, what this achieves in reality is to bind her cause to that of the establishment. What establishment figure wouldn't jump at the chance to be associated with Ms Hick's campaign? It gives *exactly* the kind of message they wish to push forward.

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority. 'I forgive you'. In political terms, what she is doing is throwing down the gauntlet - if 'I' can do it, so can you! - and in the same breath, she is also simplifying a tension which is infact intertwined with centuries of economic and Imperial dominance and everyday otherworldy brutality into some kind of personalistic love-fest. As though the the real tension is actually between different British communities, and not between Western foreign policy and a globally scapegoated minority.
 
Her website is far less a moralistic fable about stoic endurance than this thread! I got nothin' against the lady - I got everything against the way her cause was represented by editor on the first page of this thread, and subsequently!



Which is exactly my point! And how many times have I seen/read this moral fable before?

The point is (and this may be just media spin) that this woman is now representing more than just the issue she purports, but also as an 'example' to others. Look at me, if even I can do this, then *you* have no excuse...

Guilt-tripping people into feeling lazy *is* *not* *a* *healthy* *way* of achieving your stated political goals - and infact, what this achieves in reality is to bind her cause to that of the establishment. What establishment figure wouldn't jump at the chance to be associated with Ms Hick's campaign? It gives *exactly* the kind of message they wish to push forward.

On another cynical level (and one which hasn't thus far been raised) I'm also sceptical about the effects of a white woman victim of terrorism approaching Muslim communities across the country from the lofty high-ground of moral superiority. 'I forgive you'. In political terms, what she is doing is throwing down the gauntlet - if 'I' can do it, so can you! - and in the same breath, she is also simplifying a tension which is infact intertwined with centuries of economic and Imperial dominance and everyday otherworldy brutality into some kind of personalistic love-fest. As though the the real tension is actually between different British communities, and not between Western foreign policy and a globally scapegoated minority.

So now we know that DU doesn't want to tidy his room or go for a walk...bless.

Louis MacNeice
 
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