editor
hiraethified
Who's forcing it down your throat?
It's not like she's shoving some shitty self-publicising rag in your face at some unrelated protest she's trying to hijack, is it?
7/7 survivor begins 200-mile trek on prosthetic legs
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It's not like she's shoving some shitty self-publicising rag in your face at some unrelated protest she's trying to hijack, is it?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Bakunin, you fool, I don't support shouting at ex-soldiers.
To be fair, I'm not sneering at this woman's jaunt up country, just refusing to feel all warm and fuzzy inside on account of the fact a disabled person has managed to do something with their lives. To be honest, I can't think of a more patronising attitude to disability - and I can't think of a more brain-dead response to someone who happens to be disabled 'doing something difficult' than to coo and ahh at them.
So, seeing as we're evidently talking in 'degrees' of achievement (with the premise being that physical disability increases the degree of achievement in direct ratio with the difficulty physical excursion undertaken) how about I climb a V-dif rock face backwards to raise awareness for breast cancer - am I a 'hero'? Would you feel 'inspired'?
To be fair, I'm not sneering at this woman's jaunt up country, just refusing to feel all warm and fuzzy inside on account of the fact a disabled person has managed to do something with their lives. To be honest, I can't think of a more patronising attitude to disability - and I can't think of a more brain-dead response to someone who happens to be disabled 'doing something difficult' than to coo and ahh at them.
So, seeing as we're evidently talking in 'degrees' of achievement (with the premise being that physical disability increases the degree of achievement in direct ratio with the difficulty physical excursion undertaken) how about I climb a V-dif rock face backwards to raise awareness for breast cancer - am I a 'hero'? Would you feel 'inspired'?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Errrr - we have the perfect example of a thread here, in which someone who simply isn't 'inspired' into mindless applause over this woman's walk is chastised and, amongst other things, accused of being 'bitter', 'lazy', 'cowardly', 'anti-military', and a fan of the Arctic Monkeys.
Take a step outside yourselves and look back in - you should be at least a tad disturbed at the level of 'equal op' ideological bullshit you've all swallowed.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Like I said, I AM DISABLED, hence I have a certain awareness of how much hard it can be for folk in my position to do things that the able-bodied and able-minded take for granted. Things that may not seem in the least special to you can be incredibly hard for some folk, and the sense of achievement we can get from managing things that able-bodied/minded people take for granted is surprisingly strong, I can tell you.
If you were to do you rock climb then yes, I'd have some respect, especially as I did some climbing when I was young and healthy and I know how difficult it can be for even the most able-bodied of people. But what I don't respect is your attitude of apparent callousness indifference to what this woman and others have suffered and just how much courage they show each and every day, not only to live as normal a life as possible but to also make a difference to the lives of others.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
As a disabled person do you demand that your daily sufferings are recognised by all those around you, in everything you do? Seriously, I just can't stand the fact that whenver I hear a story about someone with a disability doing anything the only socially acceptable responses are either silence or rapturous applause and encouragement. I don't pity you, and I wouldn't have thought you'd want me to. I'm perfectly happy to believe you can live a wonderfully productive life in whatever state you're in and you know what? I'm gonna treat you like I treat everyone else!
And whatever you may say about it, when an able-bodied person performs a feat of physical endurance they're rarely a 'hero' - it's impressive, and more than not it's just a gimmick. If the title of this thread was 'Victim of 7/7 bombings embarks on campaign to unite communities' then my response would have been 'good for her'. As it stands, the equal ops PC brigade in the media and in society can't help but gush out all the motivational aspirational bollocks about her disability that comes with it.
And whatever you may say about it, when an able-bodied person performs a feat of physical endurance they're rarely a 'hero' - it's impressive, and more than not it's just a gimmick. If the title of this thread was 'Victim of 7/7 bombings embarks on campaign to unite communities' then my response would have been 'good for her'. As it stands, the equal ops PC brigade in the media and in society can't help but gush out all the motivational aspirational bollocks about her disability that comes with it.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Which part of this did you have difficulty grasping?
Where did I ask to be pitied exactly? I didn't, in fact all I asked for was for disabled people to be treated with the consideration our difficulties (whatever they may be) happen to deserve. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
And it's funny, I could have sworn that able-bodied people who perform feats in excess the average person ARE often treated as heroes, and not least by other able-bodied people. Sports stars for instance, have their fair share of hero worship thrown their way, IIRC.
It's a simple fact that this woman, like many disabled people before and now, is doing something that many able-bodied people wouldn't want to do or may bot even be able to, and she's doing it under physical conditions that would leave many people not wanting to get out of bed of a morning. Hence, she's entitled to be respected and shown that respect accordingly.
editor
hiraethified
Why is applauding someone showing extreme tolerance and understanding while putting themselves through extreme physical discomfort in the name of peace "mindless" please?
Oh, and you still haven't listed your grand humanity-boosting achievements/gestures yet. Are you going to tell us now, or are you just a sneery, do-nothing whiner?
editor
hiraethified
If you weren't such a pompoous moron, you'd understand that the walk is not about that.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Bakunin said:
Read what you write, please!
Bakunin said:
And that's the most moronic form of hero-worship of them all!
editor said:
Funny how yours (and everyone elses) argument on this thread seems to have come down to accusing me of having achieved nothing. Moronically, you've all totally vindicated my argument about your patronisingly irrational reaction to this news without even realising it - infact, her disability story not only masks her message, it also places itself as a grand narrative of achievement against adversity. Us non-disabled folk can't complain whilst there's delbasids getting on with the job.
You can't extricate your mad praise from a fundamental moralism - because ultimately, that's the only reason her disability even comes into question.
If I'm not impressed at her ability, I must be lazy. Makes perfect sense...
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Funny, I don't recall having written anything inconsistent at all. I was using a metaphor, not suggesting that all of us cripples line up outside Buckingham Palace for a bit of shiny tin to collect and polish.
And perhaps you could point me to where I said anything about hero worship being moronic or otherwise, because I seem not to have made a statement about that either.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well I was inspired by her attitude, having faith in humanity despite being blown up, rather than anything related to disability in particular.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This lady certainly is impressive. I wonder if getting a public independent investigation into the events would be tougher than the physical challenge she has set herself.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
I probably wouldn't, but then again, I wasn't responding to her, I was responding to 'editor'.But I know this is your way of saying 'Ok Dogsbody, you win again' - so cheers
JHE
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You mean a proper full investigation into the role of Pixies and the framing of four innocent Mohammedans?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
We had a guy like that here in Canada. His name was Terry Fox. He had cancer, and lost a leg. When he was about 17, I think, he decided to run across Canada, to raise money and awareness for cancer research. He made it from the Atlantic coast to Thunder Bay, about 3300 miles; he'd run the marathon distance every day. Then he got sick. He died soon after. It was called the Marathon of Hope.
Terry Fox is a much loved hero to Canadians.
Terry Fox is a much loved hero to Canadians.
editor
hiraethified
Classic insensitive, arrogant, up-their-own arse conspiraloonery trying to pollute this heroic endeavour with their own twisted ends.
You're a disgrace.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Classic over-reaction. I do admire her. I do think what she is doing is fantastic. The clue is in where I said so. There wasnt a public investigation. That is neither "up ones arse", "arrogant" "conspiracy" or "theory" or "lunacy". There is nothing disgraceful about mentioning such facts. There is something of the thought police in saying there is.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
No. Thats not what I said. An investigation is an investigation. It may or may not discover many things. But it will probably not happen, only 53 died after all and its only the standard domestic blag for clampdown on freedom. Perhaps its irrelevant. Its quite heartening I suppose that people still so implicitly trust their loving government and authority after all the barefaced lies of recent years.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
It doesn't require trust in the 'government and authority' to have an antipathy for indulging conspiracy theorists.
Louis MacNeice
editor
hiraethified
Why don't you just post this patronising, irrelevant shit on some loon site instead?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I have not said anything to indulge conspiracy theorists beyond pointing out there was not an investigation. The government expressly didnt want one and dont think the victims or population deserve on. That is not a theory, it is a fact. How much the staet conspired against a public investigation I dont know, but the Inquiries Act which facilitated their behaviour was passed in April 2005.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I have not said anything to indulge conspiracy theorists beyond pointing out there was not an investigation. The government expressly didnt want one and dont think the victims or population deserve or need one. That is not a theory, it is a fact. How much the staet conspired against a public investigation I dont know, but the Inquiries Act which facilitated their behaviour was passed in April 2005.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
editor
hiraethified
You're like those pricks that gatecrash 7/7 survivor meetings to start shouting everyone out so they can push their "me! me! me!" loony agenda. I find it quite shameful to be honest.
This thread isn't about you or your exciting theories and opinions on 7/7. It's about Gill Hicks who is walking 200-miles from Leeds to London on prosthetic legs as part of a campaign to unite communities. She is brave. You are dull.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
You see what you've done here?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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