2021 Local elections

[brogdale]

Yes but any time I've had tellers they're really not there long at all

tbf, as long as a party can muster the full day's worth of tellers, a well organised telling process would yield data irrespective of how long any one teller is in place

 

[Sue]

They might get a total but they won't get who's voted. Which is the purpose of the telling.

 

[tony.c]

They might get a total but they won't get who's voted. Which is the purpose of the telling.

The agent does get a list of people who have voted, which is why we haven't had tellers for last three years.

 

[PR1Berske]

An old wise man I used to know was a veteran of local politics, he could tell you within the first ballot boxes being opened how each party would do, and was within a few votes either way usually. It becomes a skill if you're willing to be up to your elbows in local government.

By the by, on a politics forum I visit, word is that councils are enforcing social distancing between counters, volunteers, party people and etc., so with all that and the size of ballot papers tonight, we're in for a long weekend of results rather than overnight as traditional.

 

[brogdale]

The agent does get a list of people who have voted, which is why we haven't had tellers for last three years.

That might be what someone told you, but they're wrong.

 

[Sue]

The agent does get a list of people who have voted, which is why we haven't had tellers for last three years.

Admittedly it's been longer than three years ago since I did telling but I'm pretty sceptical tbh. I mean, why would they do that?

 

[tony.c]

That might be what someone told you, but they're wrong.

They must have told the Tories that too then as they don't have tellers either.

 

[tony.c]

I mean, why would they do that?

To avoid having a gaggle of tellers outside polling stations perhaps?

 

[brogdale]

They must have told the Tories that too then as they don't have tellers either.

Suits me; I used to find them irritating.

 

[tony.c]

Suits me; I used to find them irritating.

I didn't mind them. Outside my local polling station they used to be little old ladies who weren't actually Conservative Party members but friends of one of the local Tory Councillors.

 

[Sue]

To avoid having a gaggle of tellers outside polling stations perhaps?

There are strict rules around what tellers can and can't do, including only having one teller per candidate at any one time at a polling station. And not all candidates will have a teller at every polling station so the gaggle thing seems unlikely. And seems an unlikely reason for changing this whatever.

ETA Actually you might be allowed one at each entrance but I've never seen that so . I also think people over-estimate how many volunteers political parties can call on for things like this. I mean however many polling stations between 7am and 10pm? That's a lot of hours/places to cover.

 

[PR1Berske]

The first council ward to declare tonight is Cowpen, in Northumberland.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I've been a Labour teller in the past but they (and the Tories) haven't used them in my constituency and probably in the rest of London for the last few years.
Now the majority of canvassing/voter ID is done by phone and on polling day the local election agent gets list of people who have voted every hour from polling stations.
Then people who have indicated they will vote for your candidate(s) and haven't yet are reminded to vote by phone or doorknocking.

The polling stations only provide the number of voters on an hourly basis. They do not provide a list of people who have voted.

 

[Guineveretoo]

The agent does get a list of people who have voted, which is why we haven't had tellers for last three years.

That would be illegal.

 

[belboid]

LibScum somehow win with a massive (30%) swing in Hendon, Sunderland.

Tory gain in Blyth Valley (picking up all the UKIP vote

 

[ska invita]

LibScum somehow win with a massive (30%) swing in Hendon, Sunderland.

speechless
HOW?

Looks legit - its not Brian Elects or anything



Minus 30 ....

 

[William of Walworth]

I used to be great at election-day voting amd understanding that.

For the first ever since I was old enough to vote (as a student, in 1980) I voted later than midday, today.

This included my PCC vote**
(Labour first, Plaid second). And Labour on all Senedd related voting.

** ddraig very cunningly aimed to surprise me yesterday, by 'allowing' me to imagine that 'PCC' was parish council related ......

I'd completely forgotten++ about the Evil Copper vote though

++Ignorant people should be banned from voting, clearly ..... But only if they're Tories, obviously ...

 

[brogdale]

Losing seats to the yellow streak of piss;

 

[Puddy_Tat]

is there something particular happening in sunderland that i'm not aware of?

 

[Pickman's model]

Losing seats to the yellow streak of piss;

William of Walworth

 

[belboid]

The UKIP vote collapsed and went to the LibDems???

 

[ska invita]

is there something particular happening in sunderland that i'm not aware of?

someone mentioned a good local candidate in hendon sunderland being active throughout the pandemic but that still doesnt add up

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The UKIP vote collapsed and went to the LibDems???

along with a large chunk of the labour vote

from here (not knowing anything about any particular local circumstances) it doesn't make sense - the perceived wisdom is that labour has lost / is losing votes in the north for being too middle class and remainy.

so people are voting for a party that's generally more middle class and remainy than labour?

 

[ska invita]

along with a large chunk of the labour vote

from here (not knowing anything about any particular local circumstances) it doesn't make sense - the perceived wisdom is that labour has lost / is losing votes in the north for being too middle class and remainy.

so people are voting for a party that's generally more middle class and remainy than labour?

i dont think its that wide a trend, even in that area, just a couple of seats. so far.
must be some local personality thing thats gone down ?

 

[William of Walworth]

William of Walworth

Yes, I;ve just seen this

I'm with Puddy_Tat -- what the fuck's going on?

Whether voters swing towards the Tories or Lib-Dems, it's incomprehensible?????

 

[redsquirrel]

is there something particular happening in sunderland that i'm not aware of?

Local factors could be in play (Labour in power forever, people pissed off). Or it could be a turnout effect? Though the turnouts quoted by the Sunderland Echo do not seem particularly abnormal (nationally the 2017/18 LEs had about 35% turnout across all areas).

Final Sunderland score (according to Sunderland Echo)

• Labour 42 seats
• Cons 18
• Lib Dems 12
• UKIP 3

 

[tony.c]

The polling stations only provide the number of voters on an hourly basis. They do not provide a list of people who have voted.

That would be illegal.

Sorry for not replying before, I went to bed at 12.
It is not the names of the people who have voted which is given to parties' election agents, but their poll numbers as shown on their polling cards and electoral list.
The election agents have copy of electoral list so they can identify who have voted.

It cannot have been illegal since 2017 or all of the Polling Station Returning Officers in my borough have been breaking the law and should have been arrested!

 

[PR1Berske]

Some of the results in Dudley are huge, Labour getting tanked.

 

[PR1Berske]

Stockport

LD 26 (n/c)
Lab 25 (-1)
Con 8 (n/c)
Grn 1 (+1)

Ward changes:

Con gain Hazel Grove from Lib Dem
Green gain Reddish South from Lab
Lab gain Stepping Hill from Lib Dem
Lib Dem gain Marple South & High Lane from Con
Lib Dem gain Offerton from Lab

 

[JTG]

Tories have gained Harlow and Nuneaton & Bedworth. Seven gains from Labour in Harlow