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‘March for the Alternative’ - 26th March - London

great idea, but it looks like it'll be a little unheard of for this demo. Great tool for the future though.
 
sim667 said:
Realistically how many people do you reckon will turn up for this?
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A few hundred thousand. Mind you, given the number of coaches going, I'm getting more optimistic that a million is achievable. More going from where I live to this than went for the Iraq war march as far as I can tell.

Is it 800 coaches now? Plus a fair few trains, the locals, and people making their own way down...
 
xes said:
great idea, but it looks like it'll be a little unheard of for this demo. Great tool for the future though.
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This is true of most that will attend, it is fairly well known amongst the UkUncut crowd and the more organised Student protesters.
 
“If you come along to demonstrations intent on rioting, causing damage, fighting cops, or just generally being an anti-social idiot then Sukey is not for you”.
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On the 26th we are releasing all of our code* under a GNU Affero General Public License v3 so that everyone will be free to read, rewrite and reuse as they see fit.
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So why not use the code to create an app for 'anti-social idiot(s)'?
 
Proper Tidy said:
A few hundred thousand. Mind you, given the number of coaches going, I'm getting more optimistic that a million is achievable. More going from where I live to this than went for the Iraq war march as far as I can tell.

Is it 800 coaches now? Plus a fair few trains, the locals, and people making their own way down...
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well if a coach takes 55 (about the amount of seats on a coach innit?) that'll be about 44,000
 
Last I heard, they were predicting quarter of a million. Thousands of people won't be coming by coach or chartered train, but by public transport and/or foot. It's certainly going to be BIG!
 
I reckon low end 200,000 high end 1 million.
on monday at Birmingham against the cuts meeting we counted 67 coaches known about going from birmingham - 2 or 3 shy of the number that went to the STW march. 5 from dudley, 2 went to stw.. Notts have twice as many going to this as stw.. I don't know about other places..
you also need to add all the charter trains going as well, and I've heard 1,200 coaches.
And of course there are many people going down by train/megabus/coach or in their own cars or hired minibus.

Then bear in mind that the best part of 1/6th of the population lives in and around london and won't need to go by coach (plus a higher % of them will turn out because it is closer and easier to do so - many people from further away will be unable to afford to go, or unwilling to spend hours on a coach down, hours marching and hours on a coach back)..
 
1 million - no way.

The anti war march was way way bigger then any demo in british history. Its a special case.

Any demo of over 100 thousand is pretty big. 200 thousand would be huge - and would make it close to being the 2nd biggest demo ever in the UK - rivalled only by the 80s cnd marches and possibly the cuntryside alliance one (although their numbers are suspect - only case ever of the cops estimate of numbers matching that claimed by the organsiors). Poll tax and miners strike demos were pretty big - not sure if they were 200,000 though.
 
I recon the police will start to get naughty after the official TUC stuff is done and we have got on the coaches home. I also predict beef visited on the south london feeder marchers who remain after 6 and possibly the pink and black lot.

I don't see them kettling and bashing the TUC marchers because that would play really badly with even the r/w press. Never underestimate the shittiness of the met though.
 
I don't know much about Liberty's history so perhaps they've got form I don't know about, but couldn't 'working with the police' mean that they can keep an eye on them? And couldn't being willing to testify against protesters allow for doing the 'right' thing if a protester does genuinely do something appalling? (Though I'm well aware that it's the police who are likely to initiate violence against protesters rather than the other way round.)
 
BigTom said:
I reckon low end 200,000 high end 1 million.
on monday at Birmingham against the cuts meeting we counted 67 coaches known about going from birmingham - 2 or 3 shy of the number that went to the STW march. 5 from dudley, 2 went to stw.. Notts have twice as many going to this as stw.. I don't know about other places..
you also need to add all the charter trains going as well, and I've heard 1,200 coaches.
And of course there are many people going down by train/megabus/coach or in their own cars or hired minibus.

Then bear in mind that the best part of 1/6th of the population lives in and around london and won't need to go by coach (plus a higher % of them will turn out because it is closer and easier to do so - many people from further away will be unable to afford to go, or unwilling to spend hours on a coach down, hours marching and hours on a coach back)..
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Yes, I can confirm this. I heard tonight from a senior TU woman that it's over 1,000 coaches and around 20 trains. So, we've got to be talking a minimum of 100,000 from outside Greater London.
 
But...but...it's better to do nothing because essentially, compared to some places, we have it easy:

Sir Simon Jenkins said:
Most people nowadays take to the streets en masse only to protect their incomes or their interests. Dockers, miners and power workers have given way to white-collar workers, civil servants and, on one colourful occasion, huntsmen. Strikes by these groups hardly bring the country to its knees. In the case of students, recent demonstrations were probably counterproductive. Few people could see their problem when their "fees" had already morphed into income surtax. The 2004 pro-hunt lobby dust-up in Parliament Square succeeded in doing what only Charles I had done before, invading the actual Commons chamber. It did them no more good than their royal predecessor.

The truth, for better or worse, is that Britain is a peaceable, parliamentary nation. The majority of Britons have bought into the constitution, with the monarchy, House of Lords, voting system and all. Street demonstrations seem like a throwback, a masonic ritual of banners, pushchairs, linked hands and incantations. By the mid-60s, the CND marches to Trafalgar Square had become a festival, like the Lord Mayor's Show or Glastonbury, albeit with anarchist hangers-on. Today's student demos degenerate into rugby club nights out, with traffic cones as trophies.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/24/protest-trafalgar-square-tahrir-square

What a wrong cunt.
 
a small lol from the comment section of that article:

The reaction to civil unrest depends very much on who is doing the unrest. If you're a bunch of selfish knob-ends who happen to have the right-wing press behind you, you're good to go.
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