Xi Jinping UK State visit

[DotCommunist]

His hands are unbound, so I expect he's already pulled his eyes sideways at least 18 times so far...

playing chopsticks on the piano in a mocking manner next, they should have drugged him as well

 

[Shechemite]

That's too bad. The potential for entertainment just dropped markedly.

Could still do the chinese eyes/japanese eyes thing with his fingers.

 

[Shechemite]

His hands are unbound, so I expect he's already pulled his eyes sideways at least 18 times so far...

Bollocks

 

[Shechemite]

Could always totter around Geisha-like, as if his feet have been bound?

 

[weltweit]

Radio says, even if British steelworkers worked for nothing, their steel would still be more expensive than that produced at the moment in China.

Wonder if that will be brought up during this state visit?

 

[weltweit]

Well, in introducing the Chinese president when he spoke to the houses of parliament, speaker Berkow did mention human rights, in a roundabout way, so perhaps that is something.

 

[equationgirl]

Radio says, even if British steelworkers worked for nothing, their steel would still be more expensive than that produced at the moment in China.

Wonder if that will be brought up during this state visit?

We have a whole thread about the steel crisis, I suggest you read it.

 

[kebabking]

...so perhaps that is something.

what does it achieve for some Uighur dissident in a damp cell 20 miles from the nearest streetlight, let alone a court that would free him?

it achieves nothing, it makes that pompous windbag feel good about 'sticking it to the man', and it salves the conciences of the middle classes.

 

[weltweit]

We have a whole thread about the steel crisis, I suggest you read it.

I have seen quite a lot of it thanks.
This thread is about whether it should be brought up in this state visit!

 

[equationgirl]

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I have seen quite a lot of it thanks.
This thread is about whether it should be brought up in this state visit!

Why? Do you seriously think the Chinese will reduce their steel output to keep us happy?

 

[Nine Bob Note]

It's an x-ray machine, that woman ate a kitteh for lunch.

So long as it's not a corgi.

 

[weltweit]

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Why? Do you seriously think the Chinese will reduce their steel output to keep us happy?

I very much doubt it is just the UK steel industry that is finding this period of low prices an issue.

 

[equationgirl]

I very much doubt it is just the UK steel industry that is finding this period of low prices an issue.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[weltweit]

You didn't answer the question.

That isn't my job!

 

[kebabking]

I very much doubt it is just the UK steel industry that is finding this period of low prices an issue.

why would the Chinese give a mouse sized shit?

they flood the market with cheap steel, the market colapses, their competitors go out of business and as the other steels on the market dry up, they can then charge what they like for their tat.

if others - us - fail to appreciate the strategic national interest in having a secure supply of high grade steel, even if that security of supply costs more than buying rubber dogshit on the open market, then thats not really Chinas problem.

 

[weltweit]

why would the Chinese give a mouse sized shit?

they flood the market with cheap steel, the market colapses, their competitors go out of business and as the other steels on the market dry up, they can then charge what they like for their tat.

if others - us - fail to appreciate the strategic national interest in having a secure supply of high grade steel, even if that security of supply costs more than buying rubber dogshit on the open market, then thats not really Chinas problem.

Perhaps there needs to be an "OPEC" of the international steel industry ..

 

[kebabking]

Perhaps there needs to be an "OPEC" of the international steel industry ..

there is - its called 'the Chinese Government'.

 

[equationgirl]

That isn't my job!

I asked you a question. It's polite to answer it, especially if you ask questions of others.

 

[equationgirl]

I very much doubt it is just the UK steel industry that is finding this period of low prices an issue.

It isn't, as has been mentioned on the thread about steel.

 

[weltweit]

So Corbyn had a meeting during which he raised human rights and steel

Corbyn to challenge Xi Jinping over human rights abuse

 

[weltweit]

I asked you a question. It's polite to answer it, especially if you ask questions of others.

Actually equationgirl, if you look back a bit, you joined this thread and responded to a post of mine which included a question, which you didn't answer either !!

 

[teqniq]

 

[equationgirl]

Actually equationgirl, if you look back a bit, you joined this thread and responded to a post of mine which included a question, which you didn't answer either !!

You mean the question I answered three posts after you asked it? now can you answer my question please?

 

[weltweit]

You mean the question I answered three posts after you asked it? now can you answer my question please?

I originally posted:

Radio says, even if British steelworkers worked for nothing, their steel would still be more expensive than that produced at the moment in China.

Wonder if that will be brought up during this state visit?

to which you responded:

We have a whole thread about the steel crisis, I suggest you read it.

Which wasn't any kind of answer as to whether it would be brought up or not.

You then posted this

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Why? Do you seriously think the Chinese will reduce their steel output to keep us happy?

Which is what I assume you propose was an answer to my original question but wasn't an answer. And you answered my simple question with two more questions, which is no answer at all.

As it happens, the question is moot now because Corbyn has had a meeting with Xi Jinping at Buckingham Palace and has brought up the issue of steel with him. So the issue has been raised during this visit by the leader of the opposition.

I don't as it happens feel any pressing need to answer your question "Do you seriously think the Chinese will reduce their steel output to keep us happy?" being as it is a rather boring attempt to state the obvious. So, no, I don't see any need however as with all sorts of things, if you don't ask you don't get.

 

[equationgirl]

Please dial back the passive aggressiveness weltweit, there's no need for it. I answered your question, but if you don't like the answer that's your problem. You can't dictate that people post an answer that you like or approve of.

 

[coley]

given that China isn't going to bow to any pressure on its internal politics that we are prepared to bring to bear, i see no point whatsoever in bringing them up.

China has made very clear that the price of potentially very lucrative trade deals - which, for those getting sweaty, means highly skilled, highly paid, very taxable UK jobs to both reduce unemployment and pay for nice things - is silence on its internal politics. speak out - and achieve nothing anyway - and you don't get the deal.

Chinas stance, and its economic power and raft of potential other 'partners' to make that stance a reality, means that 'speaking out' over Chinas brutal, dictatorial, horrible policies has nothing whatsoever to do with making life better in China, its about making people here feel better about themselves.

you either deal with China as it wishes, or it goes elsewhere.

Unfortunately, very true, but it stinks no less.

 

[coley]

au contraire.

the Chinese CP wants to learn from our royalty because they have weathered political, economic and social change, defeat, revolution and yet remained at the heart of power (ish... depending on your viewpoint) for a thousand years. compared to that, the Saudi's are a circus act.

when Xi goes to Saudi he thinks he's talking to a monkey in a dress (that famous Han non-racist attitude...). when he talks to the Queen, he thinks he's talking to a master political operator with fingers in every pie.

Nope, usually agree with you on most things, but this is a calculated move seeking the endorsement of a respected democracy on Chinas domestic and international behaviour.
It serves two points, rubbing our noses in it and intensifying the rift in American/ UK/ EU / NATO objectives.
I honestly feel sorry for her Maj having to go along with this crap in order to satisfy Cameron's 'City's' chums desire to get what minuscule amount amount of table leavings China will give them.

 

[coley]

depends how far the shift away from Europe is - the UK doesn't really give a shit about Ukraine, or Moldolva, or even Estonia or Latvia, if Vlad the Invader wants a big gas deal and makes it worth the UK's while then such a visit might happen... such a prospect might make Germany and France sweat a little, maybe make them more reasonable in negotiations...

on a more serious, genuine note, it depends what the US does. if the US continues its current policy of making belicose speeches about Russia, but does little about re-inforcing what it says is a weak NATO border, then the UK might well decide that not being allied to a continent that refuses to defend itself is a better policy.

But that "continent" makes a better buffer state than the 'good old USA' which is increasingly looking towards China as the main threat to its interests?

 

[coley]

His hands are unbound, so I expect he's already pulled his eyes sideways at least 18 times so far...

The latest series of Mock the week ended the day before the delegation arrived, coincidence?

 

[coley]

Radio says, even if British steelworkers worked for nothing, their steel would still be more expensive than that produced at the moment in China.

Wonder if that will be brought up during this state visit?

Never mind China in this respect, have you noticed French, German and Italian steelworks/ aluminium smelters facing mass closures?