I'm interested in what you think a proportional response might be to a virus which - while low risk to most people - still overwhelmed the health services at the height of infections, even with the apparently disproportional restrictions in place.
Will you continue using a face mask after 19 July?
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ska invita
back on the other side
This
www.theguardian.com
talks about the R number going up to 7 (source Public Health England’s Dr Susan Hopkins told MPs)
...im not sure masks are going to do anything in the face of that
What are the risks of England unlocking in the Covid third wave?
Analysis: Boris Johnson is betting big by easing rules on 19 July despite new infections rising exponentially
...im not sure masks are going to do anything in the face of that
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They can still give it to us. More and more of the double jabbed are getting infected.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Seven? SEVEN?This
talks about the R number going up to 7 (source Public Health England’s Dr Susan Hopkins told MPs)What are the risks of England unlocking in the Covid third wave?
Analysis: Boris Johnson is betting big by easing rules on 19 July despite new infections rising exponentially
...im not sure masks are going to do anything in the face of that
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Fourth or third? But I don't disagree with that. However, people will stop wearing masks if they don't have to. It'll start will the selfish but spread very quickly because the protection afforded by them relies heavily on their mass use. Once that's gone there really isn't much point being the only person in Sainsburys wearing one.
bimble
floofy
There were options, alternatives. Like the gov could have decided for instance that the NHS simply refuse treatment to anyone over a certain age. Can't think of anything else actually, that would have been the option.
bimble
floofy
yep, they're in the best position to do so thats what i was thinking of.
ska invita
back on the other side
unless ive misunderstood it, thats what it says in the article - its full herd immunity time, thats the policy...let it rip and take it on the chin etc
TopCat
Putin fanboy
(Pukes)
I was talking to a woman the other day who was advocating something like this. 'What's the point in keeping people with altsheimers alive while the economy crumbles! Its madness!'
bimble
floofy
I am sure they focus grouped it plenty as an idea.
I'd like to see mass deaths worked out as a full policy rather than just exasperated hand-waving.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think most people who are most worried about becoming infected simply won’t go out to places where many gather. I certainly don’t think that lots of people will change the type of masks they wear. I just don’t think that’s the way folk are. We’ll see though. My prediction is that barring another government order to wear them again, there’ll be hardly a mask to be seen by Autumn.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I'd say it totally depends on how close to other people I get, how many and if the place is indoors.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I read the article and it says unmitigated delta variant spread is seven. But that’s not the case for the UK at present as the outbreak has been mitigated with mask wearing, social distancing, hand washing and vaccination.
That's really shit.
Why not turf the ill and elderly into gas chambers eh?
I hope you told the woman to go fuck herself.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
People who were shielding won’t take this approach well.
ska invita
back on the other side
sorry, thats wrong - itd be 7 if no vaccine - misread it
www.mirror.co.uk
guardian didnt make that clear
Covid R number would now be 'up to 7' if we didn't have vaccine, top expert says
Dr Susan Hopkins, of Public Health England, laid bare how rapidly the virus would be spreading without the jab - thanks to the highly transmissible new variant
www.mirror.co.uk
guardian didnt make that clear
They'll be wearing masks.
We have already been told that we will be wearing masks in schools next year.
I doubt the Brits will do differently.
prunus
Tick tock.
If this post contains your personal reasoning for not wearing a mask then I’m afraid you’ve reached the wrong conclusion because you’ve based it on erroneous information.
There is ample and unambiguous evidence that using masks reduce transmission of respiratory diseases, including covid. Therefore in the presence of evidence will you wear one, despite the discomfort?
Fear has not been deliberately engendered by scientists, the government and the media. The government has if anything massively underplayed the danger on many occasions (with disastrous results). Scientists, who are people too, have appeared to be more nervous about this virus because they have better information, not because they want to scare people.
I read from your posts that you are scared, and angry because you don’t like being scared - no one does - and hitting out at the source of fear. We’re all scared, you’re not alone. The tiny act of wearing a mask feels like too little to make a difference to this huge scary thing - it isn’t though. There are things we can all do together though to try to make things better.
One of the easiest and least disruptive is to wear a mask when around other people. This will reduce transmission, reduce cases, reduce pressure on the health service, and reduce illness, disability and death. It will also reduce anxiety in vulnerable people, and other people who are just anxious about what this virus will do to our society if allowed to run rampant again.
What do you say - will you join in and do your bit to help? The more of us that do it, the better off we will all be.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
sorry, thats wrong - itd be 7 if no vaccine - misread it
To be fair that article was so alarming it would be easy to get a detail wrong.Covid R number would now be 'up to 7' if we didn't have vaccine, top expert says
Dr Susan Hopkins, of Public Health England, laid bare how rapidly the virus would be spreading without the jab - thanks to the highly transmissible new variant
guardian didnt make that clear
They are expecting 1000 day here with the new variant by end of July.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
How on earth do you work that out? Please tell me you don't mean that.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
“Doing my own research”
Looby
Well-Known Member
I fully expect there to be very little mask wearing soon. I’ll carry on indoors. I’ve cancelled a gig because I feel like going to an indoor event with no number restriction, no distancing and no masks is stupid. Ticketmaster refunded immediately which surprised me.
I’m a bit worried about people maybe challenging me on wearing one which is stupid and I really hope it doesn’t happen but I think it might.
I’m a bit worried about people maybe challenging me on wearing one which is stupid and I really hope it doesn’t happen but I think it might.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I know.
bimble
floofy
I had a really shit experience yesterday, had an appointment to meet someone in a small public-facing office on the high street.
Tatty old sign on the door saying no mask no entry, as you'd expect. Woman opens the door, no mask, nobody in there was wearing one, and my instinct was to take mine off, because what the fuck is the point, or because peer pressure or i don't even know why.
Instead i left without sitting down because i didn't like the people and there was an easy excuse to delay and do it by phone instead but i did not say anything at all about the mask thing, Will do in an email later tho.
Tatty old sign on the door saying no mask no entry, as you'd expect. Woman opens the door, no mask, nobody in there was wearing one, and my instinct was to take mine off, because what the fuck is the point, or because peer pressure or i don't even know why.
Instead i left without sitting down because i didn't like the people and there was an easy excuse to delay and do it by phone instead but i did not say anything at all about the mask thing, Will do in an email later tho.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Err, that’s really not controversial.
