Will you continue using a face mask after 19 July?

[killer b]

Last summer when mask wearing was advocated by the government but before it became mandatory in enclosed public spaces, apparently use was about 30%. Seeing as people are more in the habit of doing it now, I'd expect to see it a bit higher, and maybe higher still if/when cases get scary, but those are the kinds of numbers we're looking at.

30% though. 30% for taking an action which - with almost zero cost or discomfort to those observing it - solid evidence showed would prevent spread of the disease. Mandatory use pushed this up to 80%. That's the difference between voluntary and mandatory measures.

 

[Aladdin]

Err, that’s really not controversial.

It kind of is though...
Especially if you're someone who knows how dangerous covid is?
And if you know how variants develop....
Mass spread...leads not only to death or illness or long term illness...it also leads to new variants.

Every instance of covid is another step towards another variant. And we will all be fucked if a worse variant occurs that can affect the vaccinated badly.

There are massive reasons for continuing to wear masks until this is shut down.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm in the fortunate position to be able to opt out of my role as intermediate host in this apparent experiment.to "naturally vaccinate" people younger than me.
I'm already worried that I lost my voice somewhat on Monday, and had a mild headache yesterday ,and hope my runny nose was just hayfever...

 

[David Clapson]

Err, that’s really not controversial.

Get to fuck. Masks stop you getting the virus, you clown. Wake the fuck up!

 

[LDC]

I had a really shit experience yesterday, had an appointment to meet someone in a small public-facing office on the high street.
Tatty old sign on the door saying no mask no entry, as you'd expect. Woman opens the door, no mask, nobody in there was wearing one, and my instinct was to take mine off, because what the fuck is the point, or because peer pressure or i don't even know why.
Instead i left without sitting down because i didn't like the people and there was an easy excuse to delay and do it by phone instead but i did not say anything at all about the mask thing, Will do in an email later tho.

Contradictory and illogical behaviour like that can be really infuriating. There's a Kurdish bread bakery near me I go to once a week so have got to know the bloke there, and often chat a bit. He's from Iran and has family there, 2 of whom have died from covid, and he said the other week that they're only just starting to get people vaccinated and care in hospitals there is really shit.

Anyway, he knows about and is scared of covid, and like I said has had 2 family die from it. Does he or anyone in the shop wear a mask? Nope. And he hugs or shakes hands with pretty much every customer that comes in, and often stands very close chatting loudly to get over the roaring noise of the oven.

 

[bimble]

Last summer when mask wearing was advocated by the government but before it became mandatory in enclosed public spaces, apparently use was about 30%. Seeing as people are more in the habit of doing it now, I'd expect to see it a bit higher, and maybe higher still if/when cases get scary, but those are the kinds of numbers we're looking at.

30% though. 30% for taking an action which - with almost zero cost or discomfort to those observing it - solid evidence showed would prevent spread of the disease. Mandatory use pushed this up to 80%. That's the difference between voluntary and mandatory measures.

i'd be very interested in how that number looks in different countries different places. Obviously there are places where it is seen as completely normal basic courtesy to wear a mask to stop other people catching your cold but aside from that i reckon this is a particularly selfish sort of society we have over here and i'd expect higher than 30% voluntary adoption in say maybe sweden or idk germany even. Less in very macho places.

 

[killer b]

i'd be very interested in how that number looks in different countries different places. Obviously there are places where it is seen as completely normal basic courtesy to wear a mask to stop other people catching your cold but aside from that i reckon this is a particularly selfish sort of society we have over here and i'd expect higher than 30% voluntary adoption in say maybe sweden or idk germany even. Less in very macho places.

here:

No-lockdown Sweden broke with most of the world and didn't require face masks. Those who wear them say they're treated with suspicion and abuse.

Sweden never locked down or had a mask mandate. It only recommends people wear them during rush hour on public transport.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Spymaster]

Get to fuck. Masks stop you getting the virus, you clown. Wake the fuck up!

Lol, don't be a bell end. Some masks may stop you catching the virus in certain situations. Most won't in many situations. If it were as simple as your puerile analysis suggests, Covid would long be a thing of the past.

Of course there'll be people who still wear masks for their own protection. There were people who wore them for that reason before the pandemic. But the ones we're talking about are those who do not fear contracting the virus. They would be wearing masks to prevent them spreading it, not to prevent them contracting it. Now have another little think about the Sainsbury's scenario, You clown!

 

[David Clapson]

Fuck off and be ignored, moron. And every time a new variant spreads, look in the mirror and say "this is partly my fault".

 

[bimble]

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here:

No-lockdown Sweden broke with most of the world and didn't require face masks. Those who wear them say they're treated with suspicion and abuse.

Sweden never locked down or had a mask mandate. It only recommends people wear them during rush hour on public transport.

www.businessinsider.com

well that's depressing as hell.

 

[killer b]

well that's depressing as hell.

coming soon to a country you live in!

 

[Spymaster]

Fuck off and be ignored, moron. And every time a new variant spreads, look in the mirror and say "this is partly my fault".

 

[two sheds]

Professor Chris Whitty, the government’s Chief Medical Adviser, later set out the three scenarios in which he would continue to wear a mask once the rules are lifted: in crowded indoor spaces; if required to do so by “any competent authority”; and when doing so will make others feel more comfortable.

Chris Whitty on the three times we should still wear a mask after July 19

Professor Whitty said he will continue to wear a mask in crowded indoor spaces; if required to do so by ‘any competent authority’; and when doing so will make others feel more comfortable

www.independent.co.uk

Sensible but good luck with that - I think it will give some anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers free rein to have a go

 

[Spymaster]

It kind of is though...
Especially if you're someone who knows how dangerous covid is?
And if you know how variants develop....
Mass spread...leads not only to death or illness or long term illness...it also leads to new variants.

Every instance of covid is another step towards another variant. And we will all be fucked if a worse variant occurs that can affect the vaccinated badly.

There are massive reasons for continuing to wear masks until this is shut down.

See above response to Claptrap. Of course there are reasons to continue to wear them. But we're discussing whether people will, not whether they should.

 

[killer b]

Lol, don't be a bell end. Some masks may stop you catching the virus in certain situations. Most won't in many situations. If it were as simple as your puerile analysis suggests, Covid would long be a thing of the past.

Of course there'll be people who still wear masks for their own protection. There were people who wore them for that reason before the pandemic. But the ones we're talking about are those who do not fear contracting the virus. They would be wearing masks to prevent them spreading it, not to prevent them contracting it. Now have another little think about the Sainsbury's scenario, You clown!

The purpose of mask wearing is to reduce the risk of infection, not to stop it altogether, and the evidence does suggest some reduction for the wearer - there still is a purpose to wearing one in sainsburys even if no-one else is.

 

[bimble]

Theory: In 2 weeks time Waitrose will be majority masks, voluntarily, tescos round the corner will be much less. Hope i'm wrong.

 

[Aladdin]

See above response to Claptrap. Of course there are reasons to continue to wear them. But we're discussing whether people will, not whether they should.

Who knows what the ever increasing number of thickos will do.

But the government is supposed to be protecting all people... not pandering to the dummies.

Eta...mass Darwin Awards incoming.

 

[Spymaster]

The purpose of mask wearing is to reduce the risk of infection, not to stop it altogether, and the evidence does suggest some reduction for the wearer - there still is a purpose to wearing one in sainsburys even if no-one else is.

(My bold)

Well done. Now read the post you've quoted properly.

 

[Aladdin]

The evidence is that:

Social distancing
Mask wearing
Ventillation
Hand washing
Covering cough

All work.

Removing mask wearing and at the same time allowing people to mix indoors will pretty much remove three of those protectors.

It's going to cause problems.

 

[Spymaster]

The evidence is that:

Social distancing
Mask wearing
Ventillation
Hand washing
Covering cough

All work.

Removing mask wearing and at the same time allowing people to mix indoors will pretty much remove three of those protectors.

It's going to cause problems.

Yes. Do you think anyone here disagrees with any of that?

 

[David Clapson]

Who knows what the ever increasing number of thickos will do.

But the government is supposed to be protecting all people... not pandering to the dummies.

Eta...mass Darwin Awards incoming.

And now we have the lambda variant. One day all countries will have an ample supply of vaccines. But there will always be a big enough population of anti-mask and anti-vaccine morons for the virus to mutate.

 

[killer b]

(My bold)

Well done. Now read the post you've quoted properly.

you claimed there was no point being the only person in sainsbury's wearing one - there is a point though - both to avoid infection and to avoid picking it up - even if the overall protection is better if everyone is observant.

 

[Mr Retro]

Mr Retro's taken a lot of stick but a lot of people think the same way and despite the good intentions suggested by many on this thread, I think the reality is going to be that mask use will all but cease in a couple of months unless there's another directive to wear them. The first places they'll go completely is pubs, restaurants, and anywhere else people get pissed. Then as people see fewer and fewer others wearing them they'll decide there's not much point holding-out when hardly anyone else is.

I think a pointer that masks will be ditched really quickly is the crowds at Wimbledon right now. You can wear a mask if you want to but you are not compelled to. As you can see more or less nobody does. Also Urban75 is not a representative sample. It's like taking a GB News poll but with an opposite result.

 

[Aladdin]

Yes. Do you think anyone here disagrees with any of that?

I would hope not...

 

[killer b]

Wimbledon is outdooors though.

 

[Leafster]

Theory: In 2 weeks time Waitrose will be majority masks, voluntarily, tescos round the corner will be much less. Hope i'm wrong.

I was wondering the same thing. I more or less exclusively shop in one of two Waitrose shops and there has been an almost 100% adherence to the rule. I think I've only seen two people in all this time who weren't wearing masks. Even before it became mandatory there were many people in Waitrose wearing masks.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

I think Spymaster is right. Take away the compulsion and people will very quickly stop wearing masks.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Another vote for 'I work in retail and you'll take my mask from my cold dead hands' here. I've been wearing a mask 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 18 months and I've no intention of stopping yet. We're still not letting customers over the threshold either.

English shops/businesses will have the legal right to deny entry to maskless folk after July 19th. Would imagine Scotland will do likewise. Heathrow Airport and all the airlines have already stated they will not be relaxing the mask rules.

 

[Spymaster]

you claimed there was no point being the only person in sainsbury's wearing one ...

Yes, ... from the perspective of spreading the disease and with reference to whether or not people will continue to wear masks after they're told they don't have to.

For the majority of people who are not shielding or do not fear contracting the virus (vaccinated, already had it, magic, whatever) the only preceived reason to continue to wear them is to prevent them spreading it. Now, with that mindset, if there are already 200 people in Sainsbury's without masks, can you see why others might decide not to bother?

 

[cupid_stunt]

think a pointer that masks will be ditched really quickly is the crowds at Wimbledon right now. You can wear a mask if you want to but you are not compelled to. As you can see more or less nobody does.

Wimbledon is outdooors though.

Plus they have to show a negative lateral flow test result too.