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SpackleFrog said:
Actually to be fair I reckon there's a decent chance it would work - well enough to keep 40-45 seats anyway, if its done well. Cable is being touted but I think it would be more effective if they went for Tim Farron. He's the only Lib Dem with a profile who has criticised the coalition a bit and he hasn't taken a position in the cabinet. Danny Alexander could easily jump to the Tories, Cable is a bit too old to provide a long term leadership figure to "rebuild" around and nobody can really remember who anyone else is.
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45-50! I cant get it beyond 30 absolute tops.

Farron could work, he is just about recognisable without being completely identified with the coaliton. And, as I said before, he will retain his seat, which is pretty bloody handy.

SpackleFrog said:
Surely we're talking margins here though? They can easily leak a load of things they wanted to do but LD's blocked.
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leaking is not legislating tho. Gove keeps talking like a 'kipper - Farage has even half-endorsed him, iirr - but being a 'whatif' alternative isn't the same as trying somethng and being stopped. Cameron IS the leader, so if 'kippers want to have a 'real change' they have to allow him to actually win a majority. If there's another coalition, Gove won't become leader, so the better odds are on giving the buggers a real majority.
 
belboid said:
45-50! I cant get it beyond 30 absolute tops.

Farron could work, he is just about recognisable without being completely identified with the coaliton. And, as I said before, he will retain his seat, which is pretty bloody handy.


leaking is not legislating tho. Gove keeps talking like a 'kipper - Farage has even half-endorsed him, iirr - but being a 'whatif' alternative isn't the same as trying somethng and being stopped. Cameron IS the leader, so if 'kippers want to have a 'real change' they have to allow him to actually win a majority. If there's another coalition, Gove won't become leader, so the better odds are on giving the buggers a real majority.
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I'm not sure it makes much difference anyway-whatever happens the Tories will probs stick to a fixed-the-economy-vote-Farage-get-Millibot type schtick.

Is Farron definitely safe then? Sorry if I've missed a post, how safe are we talking?
 
SpackleFrog said:
I'm not sure it makes much difference anyway-whatever happens the Tories will probs stick to a fixed-the-economy-vote-Farage-get-Millibot type schtick.

Is Farron definitely safe then? Sorry if I've missed a post, how safe are we talking?
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his was the only council that still voted lib-dem in the euro's. labour were on 2% in the last election. he's as safe as blunkett

and, yeah, that'll be the tory schtick whatever, but i think it'll work better for them if they can break the coalition....soonish
 
Wouldn't it be delish if he didn't get that EU job... As he has no party left in the UK to network with , with Van Rumpy himself taking the decision that any post offered would be pointless due to Clegg s political inconsequence and voter turnoff detrimental to the great cause !

I think I would hurt myself laughing so hard ...
 
Clegg, the humiliated and friendless backbencher post-2015, the only one of a dozen remaining LDs without portfolio responsibility.

great propsect. :cool:
 
just can't see it. Whatever Oakshott's dubious polls say, I think that a rump- Farron, Clegg, Alexander, Laws, Hughes, Andrew George, the enduringly weird Norman Baker, Alistair Carmichael, Hughes, Charles Kennedy, Norman Lamb, John Pugh, Steve Webb, and Roger Williams will all be back as the unflushable turds next time.

Wouldn't rule out Alexander and Laws crossing to the Conservatives, in time. Farron will be the captain of this political Marie Celeste, back to the role David Steel used to play- emitting a good deal of pious high-toned flatulence that gets wafted away in a gust of media indifference before it has any impact.

Oakshott's polls were commisioned with a "sack Clegg" agenda in mind so I doubt very much whether things are as bad as they make out.
 
Telegraph reporting "man in grey suit"

....a long standing Liberal Democrat MEP (Sir Graham Watson) has said.....Vince Cable was “treacherous” in his failure to stop harmful polls commissioned by one of his allies that were used in an attempted coup to oust the Nick Clegg. Watson... said Mr Cable should have stopped his friend Lord Oakeshott from publishing the polls....which were later used to try and undermine Mr Clegg’s position. Sir Graham said Vince Cable had shown “treachery” by not stopping his friend Lord Oakeshott the moment he heard of his plans for the potentially damaging polls. “Of course it is the case that sometimes we can be as treacherous as our failure to stop something as we can by being involved..."
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but the article says...

However, critics have said Mr Clegg’s failure to sack or even condemn Mr Cable is a sign of his weakened position following his party’s wipeout in the local and European elections.
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:D
 
Woah! Delusional, even by the usual high level of the LDs....and, setting aside all the many valid resons not to vote LD, if I were one of his constituents I'd be pretty motivated to punish such rank hubris...

Alexander said he had not seen "a more useless opinion poll in my time".

"It was constructed by a malicious peer trying to damage the Liberal Democrats," he said. "I think we should take it with a very heavy pinch of salt. I'm content to stand on my own record in my own constituency and I think I will get very strong support at the next general election, and look forward very much to serving in parliament and I hope in government too in the next parliament."
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brogdale said:
Oh it'll be LD, but to see what policies he'd enact in government you'd have to look at the manifesto of another party...any big one would do.
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We'll see...if they decide Clegg is for the chop, Danny boy might find he's none too popular either.
 
...not all Orange Bookers made it, though

butchersapron said:
Here's your chance to post up why the lib-dems are shit - personalities and policies.
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Just when Clegg thought it couldn't get any worse....Rennard 'apologises' and, in doing so, admits wrong-doing (causing harm etc.), sufficient for some of his victims to call for his expulsion from the party.

http://blogs.channel4.com/cathy-newman-blog/dilemma-nick-clegg-lord-rennard-apologises/691

Ms Goldsworthy says Lord Rennard’s admission he behaved inappropriately means Nick Clegg should kicked him out of the party: “The right thing is to look at the body of evidence that has come before them which is currently being considered, to look at the fact that Chris Rennard has now accepted that his behaviour was untoward - which he has spent the last 15 months denying and trying to discredit anybody who spoke out – and to say, ‘No, that is not acceptable and you should be kicked out’.”

Ms Goldsworthy insisted: “There is no reason for him to be cowed by Lord Rennard.”

The question is whether Mr Clegg is strong enough to act.
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The gift that keeps on....
 
SpackleFrog said:
Actually to be fair I reckon there's a decent chance it would work - well enough to keep 40-45 seats anyway, if its done well. Cable is being touted but I think it would be more effective if they went for Tim Farron. He's the only Lib Dem with a profile who has criticised the coalition a bit and he hasn't taken a position in the cabinet. Danny Alexander could easily jump to the Tories, Cable is a bit too old to provide a long term leadership figure to "rebuild" around and nobody can really remember who anyone else is.
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Simon Hughes?
 
Has Rennard made his apology now because a) he wants to pile pressure on Clegg or b) wants to demonstrate the uses a real friend has to Clegg? I think the latter - and it will blow up in his face again. Clegg let's the sex pest back in and catches the flak from the party and press or he definitively says that he is on the outside (maybe even expelled) and risks the informed ire of the sex-pest. Yet another lose-lose situation they have engineered themselves by being spineless bastards who were prepared to turn a blind eye to bad behaviour if it helped them.
 
butchersapron said:
Has Rennard made his apology now because a) he wants to pile pressure on Clegg or b) wants to demonstrate the uses a real friend has to Clegg? I think the latter - and it will blow up in his face again. Clegg let's the sex pest back in and catches the flak from the party and press or he definitively says that he is on the outside (maybe even expelled) and risks the informed ire of the sex-pest. Yet another lose-lose situation they have engineered themselves by being spineless bastards who were prepared to turn a blind eye to bad behaviour if it helped them.
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Yes. and I would imagine that Rennard sensed that such a point of weakness/crisis was a moment/the only moment(?) in which he had a chance of Clegg confirming his rehabilitation.
 
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