Why the lib-dems are shit

[Streathamite]

i want to know simon hughes' position on this. he's gone complete awol recently. if he votes yes for this garbage, i'll have to find his office and throw an egg at his door. a sixth of southwark's population is aged 0-14, i want to write him & ask how does paying £7K/academic year match with his social mobility reforms. shithead.

half way down page - HTH!

 

[butchersapron]

The Guardian are fingering mullholland even though he 'insisted that his rebellion did not a represent a threat to the future of the coalition arrangement.'

 

[frogwoman]

The Guardian are fingering mullholland.

that's a bit of an unpleasant image there you've given me

 

[Santino]

Imagine your first foray into politics being to join the youth wing of the Lib Dems.

 

[frogwoman]

"If we got Rage against the Machine to No. 1 we can get the lib dems to office"

 

[killer b]

"If we got Rage against the Machine to No. 1 we can get the lib dems to office"

they did it too. they must be so proud.

 

[netbob]

I can't see how some MPs cannot vote against without looking ridiculous, especially those with student populations in their constituencies. e.g. http://www.electionleaflets.org/leaflets/5439/

 

[fractionMan]

Laughable lies.

 

[butchersapron]

Here we go - do watch this

 

[butchersapron]

Guardian1.35

From John Leech, the MP for Manchester Withington

I signed the NUS pledge and supported our manifesto, which promised to vote against any rise in tuition fees. I am going to keep that promise. This is a political red line for me.

From Tim Farron, the MP for Westmorland and Lonsdale

A number of us will take the view that we cannot really in all conscience abstain on this one - we will have to vote against.

Good to be able to pretend to be on the other side. Very manageable.

 

[frogwoman]

If enough of them vote against, will there have to be another election? They wont, tho, will they?

 

[binka]

Yep, bye bye purple loon student vote. (sorry i meant pro-electoral reform vote of course). This could be interesting. There will be pantomime opposition of course.

the 'yestoav' people are currently looking to use student unions to put on music nights for the launch of the campaign.

 

[butchersapron]

If enough of them vote against, will there have to be another election? They wont, tho, will they?

It won't, it's not a confidence issue.

 

[frogwoman]

Oh, OK what would bring down the government tho? in parliamentary terms i mean

 

[butchersapron]

Well the lib-dems have tried to make sure that nothing can. A confidence vote is still 50%+1

There's nothing to vote on yet though. It's a good thing to look radical on for mullholland and the reliant on student vote types for now.

 

[frogwoman]

oh,, ok gotcha

 

[Santino]

If the Lib Dems did prevent legislation going through, Clegg would just use it as another opportunity to say 'this is how coalition government works, we don't agree on everything'. The cunt.

 

[binka]

vince giving a statement to the house on bbc parliament now

 

[Santino]

U-turn announced.

 

[butchersapron]

Cable says the Lib Dems were opposed to a rise in tuition fees. But in the current circumstances "we accept that that current policy is simply no longer feasible". That's why he will introduce legislation along the lines proposed by Browne.

 

[butchersapron]

Watch the word 'pure' now.

 

[butchersapron]

And the mugs have agreed to bear the electoral/media brunt of it as well. Cameron must be laughing his sleeves off at these people.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

And the mugs have agreed to bear the electoral/media brunt of it as well. Cameron must be laughing his sleeves off at these people.

I've just said as much on Twitter. The LDs have been the 'face' of nearly all the tough/unpopular cuts.

 

[moon23]

All the activists I know are hoping for big rebellion from the MPs

 

[binka]

All the activists I know are hoping for big rebellion from the MPs

and what will their response be when there isn't one?

 

[butchersapron]

What's happening now btw is cameron having a think if they accept and push through the reports recommendations in full he might have a hard time due to fake lib-dem anger. The bill will be a WORK OF ART.

 

[moon23]

and what will their response be when there isn't one?

I don't know, I think Cable sounded awfull today. You can't go back on a pledge like that.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Quick Q - It seems what Vince Cable is saying is that less well-off graduates will pay less that they do now, and that wealthier ones will pay more. But when the effective 0% interest rate is gone, doesn't that mean that the poorer students (who'll be paying for longer) end up paying more in total?

 

[Santino]

It's a fucking gift to the 'squeezed middle' lot.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know, I think Cable sounded awfull today. You can't go back on a pledge like that.

Yes you can, it's what your party is all about.

KBT: sounds about right