Why the lib-dems are shit

[articul8]

there is some inconsistency here though isn't there - if muslims think drinking alcohol is sinful and abstain from it, are they automatically "alcophobes" in the sense of oppressing or discriminating against drinkers?

 

[DotCommunist]

there is some inconsistency here though isn't there - if muslims think drinking alcohol is sinful and abstain from it, are they automatically "alcophobes" in the sense of oppressing or discriminating against drinkers?

are you really equating drinking alcohol, a lifestyle choice with being homosexual?

 

[butchersapron]

there is some inconsistency here though isn't there - if muslims think drinking alcohol is sinful and abstain from it, are they automatically "alcophobes" in the sense of oppressing or discriminating against drinkers?

wtf?

 

[articul8]

are you really equating drinking alcohol, a lifestyle choice with being homosexual?

well, this is thing. For most of christian history homosexuality was seen precisely as a practice rather than an identity, which is a much later development.

 

[articul8]

wtf?

wtf? I'm saying Farron should be judged on his voting record, not on his theological standpoints

 

[butchersapron]

wft? I'm saying Farron should be judged on his voting record, not on his theological standpoints

His belief in something that he's happy to go against. Belief isn't a democracy.

 

[butchersapron]

Nice to see you back btw. Prick.

 

[articul8]

Nice to see you back btw. Prick.

lovely to hear from you too

His voting record is a public act. How he squares "private" views with it is irrelevant?

 

[free spirit]

there is some inconsistency here though isn't there - if muslims think drinking alcohol is sinful and abstain from it, are they automatically "alcophobes" in the sense of oppressing or discriminating against drinkers?

That's quite a big hole you seem to be digging yourself into.

 

[articul8]

That's quite a big hole you seem to be digging yourself into.

what? That a politician should be judged by how they vote on stuff? Whatever next!

 

[butchersapron]

lovely to hear from you too

His voting record is a public act. How he squares "private" views with it is irrelevant?

Just vote for bodies. You're a cathloc struggling woth the same non problem

Must represent people i want to burn in hell

 

[Orang Utan]

lovely to hear from you too

His voting record is a public act. How he squares "private" views with it is irrelevant?

people don't like voting for hypocrites

 

[articul8]

Just vote for bodies. You're a cathloc struggling woth the same non problem
Must represent people i want to burn in hell

The law should treat people equally. But you can't legislate on peoples' conception of the Good.

 

[billy_bob]

well, this is thing. For most of christian history homosexuality was seen precisely as a practice rather than an identity, which is a much later development.

This group of bigots are arguably not bigots because they themselves don't define the group they're bigoted against as a group you can be bigoted against.

Great argument.

 

[butchersapron]

The law should treat people equally. But you can't legislate on peoples' conception of the Good.

What's that got to do with the thread/convo?

 

[articul8]

This group of bigots are arguably not bigots because they themselves don't define the group they're bigoted against as a group you can be bigoted against.

Great argument.

any "Christian" who hates gay people for their identity is no kind of christian at all. Only that bunch of US loons actually argue that.

 

[butchersapron]

any "Christian" who hates gay people for their identity is no kind of christian at all. Only that bunch of US loons actually argue that.

Weird post - identity. Did you mean to say that?

 

[butchersapron]

I love the continual ex-communications as well./

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Just vote for bodies. You're a cathloc struggling woth the same non problem

Must represent people i want to burn in hell

To be fair to Farron, he probably doesn't want gay people to burn in hell, he's just mistaken enough to think this cartoon hell exists and God wants them to go there.

 

[billy_bob]

well, this is thing. For most of christian history homosexuality was seen precisely as a practice rather than an identity, which is a much later development.

any "Christian" who hates gay people for their identity is no kind of christian at all. Only that bunch of US loons actually argue that.

Eh? What exactly are you trying to say. Because it's hard to square the first thing you say is 'the thing' here with the second comment.

In any case, 'love the sinner, hate the sin' is just prevaricating bullshit. It's still homophobia.

 

[articul8]

What's that got to do with the thread/convo?

I'm saying that people might legitimately criticise Farron for his voting record, or his inconsistency, but his theology should be left to those better qualified than I

 

[billy_bob]

To be fair to Farron, he probably doesn't want gay people to burn in hell, he's just mistaken enough to think this cartoon hell exists and God wants them to go there.

That would be a very Lib Dem position.

Yes, we got in bed with the Tory scum but we feel bad about having to do it /sadface/

Sorry you're going to hell, we really wish we could help /sadface/

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

That would be a very Lib Dem position.

Yes, we got in bed with the Tory scum but we feel bad about having to do it /sadface/

Sorry you're going to hell, we really wish we could help /sadface/

When you put it like that, it does make sense he's a libdem.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm saying that people might legitimately criticise Farron for his voting record, or his inconsistency, but his theology should be left to those better qualified than I

It's all, about managing hypocrisy.

Fuck that.

 

[articul8]

Eh? What exactly are you trying to say. Because it's hard to square the first thing you say is 'the thing' here with the second comment.

In any case, 'love the sinner, hate the sin' is just prevaricating bullshit. It's still homophobia.

standing in judgement of sinners is not a very authentically Christian attitude.

 

[butchersapron]

fuck off again you two faced no-friend cunt

 

[belboid]

To be fair to Farron, he probably doesn't want gay people to burn in hell, he's just mistaken enough to think this cartoon hell exists and God wants them to go there.

Only if they actually practice gay sex. Being gay is fine, as long as you keep your pecker in your pants. He's one of them

 

[butchersapron]

standing in judgement of sinners is not a very authentically Christian attitude.

blessed are the annotated

 

[billy_bob]

standing in judgement of sinners is not a very authentically Christian attitude.

Right, so they claim that they don't have a problem with homosexuality, only with the terrible things those otherwise lovely folk get up to in bed. How does this support your ridiculous, offensive analogy with Muslims disapproving of alcohol?

 

[articul8]

Right, so they claim that they don't have a problem with homosexuality, only with the terrible things those otherwise lovely folk get up to in bed. How does this support your ridiculous, offensive analogy with Muslims disapproving of alcohol?

People who don't drink on religious grounds aren't (normally!) expressing hatred of those who do.