Why the lib-dems are shit

[Beats & Pieces]

ugh

who knew?

You?

 

[Edie]

I will introduce a label that really ought to blow away the notion of this case being made safe via the image of the hand-wringing, faith is private, soft christian who wobbles over the existence of hell.

Evangelical.





He doesnt want to impose his views, but he wants to convince people of their validity. This clearly extends well beyond the private sphere.

The above quotes are from an article that suggests that Farron might be able to quash the notion that Christianity and Liberalism dont mix. Not that easy in practice is it? For bloody good reason!

Could Tim Farron finally quash the myth that Christianity and Liberalism don't mix? | Christian News on Christian Today

What is the problem with that?

 

[Mungy]

just realised tim farron looks a bit like ken livingstone. or my head is borked.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

He looks like a thunderbird to me.

 

[butchersapron]

He looks like a crying puppet whose voice has finally caught up with it's owner.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

A haunted ventriloquist's doll.

 

[elbows]

What is the problem with that?

Are you taking the piss? It's not exactly compatible with several chunks of your stance is it? You bleating on about how his personal beliefs are none of our business when he is into the form of Christianity that is especially keen on taking the bible literally and then preaching it to others!

 

[YouSir]

Just replace 'Jack' with 'Tim' and a lot of them work surprisingly well.

 

[butchersapron]

Are you taking the piss? It's not exactly compatible with several chunks of your stance is it? You bleating on about how his personal beliefs are none of our business when he is into the form of Christianity that is especially keen on taking the bible literally and then preaching it to others!

But the key thing is that he doesn't act on this. Or doe anything in line with what he publicly says he believes in.

 

[CNT36]

But the key thing is that he doesn't act on this.

Not even in today's sermon.

 

[butchersapron]

Not even in today's sermon.

Or believe it.

Beyond weird interlude this.

 

[sunnysidedown]

He looks like a crying puppet whose voice has finally caught up with it's owner.

like something out of a Thomas Ligotti story

 

[Buckaroo]

Farewell sweet prince

Tell me that's not an Alt right Milk(skimmed) thing. He pours it on his head doesn't he?

 

[Edie]

I give up. Carry on wanking in self righteous glee over the Lib Dems.
If your unable to distinguish personal beliefs from civil liberties it's no concern of mine.

 

[gosub]

Tell me that's not an Alt right Milk(skimmed) thing. He pours it on his head doesn't he?

Mop up to aisle four please

 

[butchersapron]

like something out of a Thomas Ligotti story

I only know this boy via titles - and they are well...

 

[YouSir]

I give up. Carry on wanking in self righteous glee over the Lib Dems.
If your unable to distinguish personal beliefs from civil liberties it's no concern of mine.

Will do.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Tell me that's not an Alt right Milk(skimmed) thing. He pours it on his head doesn't he?

Alt-right milk?

 

[butchersapron]

I give up. Carry on wanking in self righteous glee over the Lib Dems.
If your unable to distinguish personal beliefs from civil liberties it's no concern of mine.

I will. I'll combine the two

 

[Buckaroo]

Alt-right milk?

Yeah it's a thing, milk is a white supremacist, nationalist fluid, if you shower in it you get some Nordic super powers so you can fight immigrants and homosexuals.

 

[CNT36]

I give up. Carry on wanking in self righteous glee over the Lib Dems.
If your unable to distinguish personal beliefs from civil liberties it's no concern of mine.

Reread his woe is me spiel from today and pretend that his personal beliefs including the one that compels him to spread those beliefs play no part. Any similarities between that and the rhetoric of evangelists seeking to sway peoples personal beliefs?
"The current environment."
I'm not saying it was his intention to evangelise but as someone said it leaks.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Yeah it's a thing, milk is a white supremacist, nationalist fluid, if you shower in it you get some Nordic super powers so you can fight immigrants and homosexuals.

Well you learn something new every day on the interwebs.

 

[redsquirrel]

The fact is, Tim has voted consistently for LGBT+ rights. Despite any personal views (which are no one else's business).

That shows great moral principle. To defend the rights of people who think, and live, and love differently despite your own personal opinion.

Your mate Tim, eh. Pass the sick bucket

 

[Vintage Paw]

 

[J Ed]

Farron has left his position as leader of the Liberal Democrats to join ISIS

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Remarkable bit of doublethink from Farron there; the UK is not liberal enough to accommodate his right to oppress gay people

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Farron has left his position as leader of the Liberal Democrats to join ISIS

 

[RD2003]

'

 

[billy_bob]

Reread his woe is me spiel from today and pretend that his personal beliefs including the one that compels him to spread those beliefs play no part. Any similarities between that and the rhetoric of evangelists seeking to sway peoples personal beliefs?
"The current environment."
I'm not saying it was his intention to evangelise but as someone said it leaks.

This really gets to the key point, doesn't it? It would be lovely to imagine, as Edie seems to, that a person can separate the actions they take from the beliefs they hold, on a conscious and ongoing basis. It would be so much easier to trust people in general - never mind politicians - if that were possible. And it wouldn't be necessary to interrogate politicians on anything, because the racists would still support people of all backgrounds, the homophobes would support people regardless of sexual orientation, the anti-working class would do everything to reduce income inequality and the concentration of power in the hands of the rich, etc.

But one glance at reality shows that's blatantly bollocks. And there's no evidence from science or psychology that would allow us to claim that it's the case despite appearances: on the contrary, the opposite is true: apart from isolated cases of cognitive dissonance or dissociative reaction, people's behaviour reflects their beliefs.

So there are only two explanations for Farron's ambivalent voting record on equality as regards sexual orientation: (i) he hasn't wholeheartedly voted in support of LBGT equality because he's not committed to it, or (ii) he's made some electoral/popularity-based calculation that it wouldn't 'play' well with some constituency or other that he wants to curry favour with. The latter seems unlikely given that this is Lib Dem voters we're talking about. So the record is the evidence of his beliefs - either he's a spineless, lying hypocrite, or more likely he's a homophobe.

And on the evangelical thing, I know anecdote doesn't equal data, but I have one that summarises the mindset to me, and makes me agree that regardless of intentions people of that persuasion just can't not evangelise. Years ago I knew someone who was 'saved' from suicide by an evangelical Christian. I mean that literally - happened to be passing, succeeded in talking her down. Then he called her or dropped in on her every day, sometimes several times a day, at first to see that she was OK. So far so Christian. After a week the content of his concern started becoming more and more leading. She wasn't interested in seeing the light. It became more manipulative: she was already damned for considering suicide; she could only save herself by listening to him and turning to the faith. She started having panic attacks whenever he rang or called round. Her next suicide attempt was pretty much precipitated by the experience of dealing with him.

 

[free spirit]

So Tim Farron resigns, former condem coalition ministers Vince Cable and Ed Davey return as MPs....

Do I smell another condem coalition coming?