Why the lib-dems are shit

[butchersapron]

You have no fundamental understanding of Christian belief. Go and educate yourself before commenting.

Edit: same with you elbows

You arrogant shit, You weren't a christian what two year ago ago and now you are actually telling people that they're not real Christians? Go shout in a centre you saved.

 

[elbows]

You have no fundamental understanding of Christian belief. Go and educate yourself before commenting.

Edit: same with you elbows

I know plenty - I know its abroad tapestry and ignoring the ugly end of it does you no favours at all. I know Christians who think their own family members will go to hell because of homosexuality and no amount of liberal handwringing is going to hide that side of the christian spectrum.

 

[Buckaroo]

He hasn't resigned because he's a 'good Christian'. Are you hard of thinking?

He's the one making it about his religious beliefs rather than being fucking useless.

 

[butchersapron]

Stop whining ffs.

Goes mad on Christianity - five years later feels it's failed her. Whines on here. Next...?

This is pretty embarrassing.

 

[Edie]

You arrogant shit, You weren't a christian what two year ago ago and now you are actually telling people that they're not real Christians? Go shout in a centre you saved.

I haven't said I'm Christian

 

[butchersapron]

I want my politicians to not act on their beliefs. Like edie.

 

[butchersapron]

I haven't said I'm Christian

Are you?

edit: and yeah, you did.

 

[tim]

Is homosexuality a sin?

Just checking...

Not for Quakers. It's Trident and opposition to military stuff in general that puts us beyond the pale.

 

[Edie]

I know plenty - I know its abroad tapestry and ignoring the ugly end of it does you no favours at all. I know Christians who think their own family members will go to hell because of homosexuality and no amount of liberal handwringing is going to hide that side of the christian spectrum.

You have no idea what Farron thinks on that point though, so stop being hysterical

 

[brogdale]

The political equivalent of the old 'if a tree falls in the wood...' question.

 

[Vintage Paw]

You have no idea what Farron thinks on that point though, so stop being hysterical

And do you think it's wrong that people tried to find out? Considering he was one of 650 people responsible for legislating the rights of gay people?

 

[YouSir]

You have no idea what Farron thinks on that point though, so stop being hysterical

'You're wrong'

'Stop being hysterical'

You're positively dripping with dignity in this one.

 

[Edie]

I want my politicians to not act on their beliefs. Like edie.

I want my politicians to personally give their approbation of my sexuality or beliefs. Like butchers.

 

[butchersapron]

I want my politicians to personally give their approbation of my sexuality or beliefs. Like butchers.

What?

 

[Vintage Paw]

And do you think it's wrong that people tried to find out? Considering he was one of 650 people responsible for legislating the rights of gay people?

Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book talking about how the NHS should be dismantled and sold off.

I think it's right that he should be questioned about his beliefs on whether there should be a national health service or a private health service.

I'm assuming, Edie, you don't think it's relevant?

 

[tim]

You have no fundamental understanding of Christian belief. Go and educate yourself before commenting.

Edit: same with you elbows

The problem with this is there is really no such thing as Christian belief, just lots of disparate groups with very different beliefs and plenty of dissidents/heritics within most of those groups. The same goes for Islam and Judaism.

 

[J Ed]

Farewell sweet prince

 

[butchersapron]

Edie, do you remember when you first came here, before the heroisation, when you were called clair, and you had an aggressive racist anti-immigrant position? You remember that? Well you're doing that level of stuff here right now.

 

[Edie]

The problem with this is there is really no such thing as Christian belief, just lots of disparate groups with very different beliefs and plenty of dissidents/heritics within most of those groups. The same goes for Islam and Judaism.

Hence your tag team above concluding that Farron believes they should go to hell being absolutely fabricated bollocks

 

[Dom Traynor]

Jo Swinson must be up for it too...

She does have one of those smiles

 

[butchersapron]

Hence your tag team above concluding that Farron believes they should go to hell being absolutely fabricated bollocks

Is this it? The first christian you met in your crisis telling you that they don't believe in hell? Most do. Real hell. Not lib-dem hell.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Libdem hell sounds like the worst sort of hell.

 

[tim]

Hence your tag team above concluding that Farron believes they should go to hell being absolutely fabricated bollocks

My tag team? I don't know what Farron's belief on Hell are. The only point I've made is that Farron both in his utterances and his voting record has shown that he has ambiguous views about homosexuality something that is hardly compatible with the values of the party he led.

 

[butchersapron]

lib-dem best-hell

 

[J Ed]

Libdem hell sounds like the worst sort of hell.

Rivers of milk, gay frogs, 'Winning here', cardboard cut outs of Nick Clegg....

 

[gosub]

even the DUP decided the fire meant today was not a day for politiking. the Lib Dems however...less classy than DUP
(that takes some doing)

 

[Buckaroo]

I want my politicians to personally give their approbation of my sexuality or beliefs. Like butchers.

christ

 

[Gerry1time]

hoping to get back in with the Tories again if the DUP deal falls through?

oh..i forgot they have taken a principled stand on brexit so couldn't possibly do that...oh hang on...

I honestly doubt they would, even they can see what suicide that would be. However, thinking they're better at negotiating on Brexit, orjust better generally, is far from the realm of the possible. Jo Swinson as their front woman, them as the coaches behind the scenes to secure their legacy. Vince Cable's just a bit of a stirrer generally tbf.

 

[elbows]

I will introduce a label that really ought to blow away the notion of this case being made safe via the image of the hand-wringing, faith is private, soft christian who wobbles over the existence of hell.

Evangelical.

Farron is also clear that his Christian faith is not simply private and personal, since he believes that the Christian gospel is true, he wants others to believe it too. He closed the same meeting by challenging the assembled MPs and Peers, saying: "What I want to encourage you to take away today is that the Bible might be massively confusing, hugely challenging, [with] bits of it you might find hard to believe – but there are four or five days in Jerusalem, 2000 years ago, the evidence for which is staggeringly compelling, and if it's true: everything – everything – changes."

But if the popular narrative is to be believed, Christianity and Liberalism are enemies, not bedfellows. So how does Farron identify as both, without leaving his faith at the door of the House of Commons? As ever, Farron's answer is honest and eloquent: "the danger is sometimes that as a Christian in politics you think your job is to impose your morality on other people. It absolutely isn't."

He quotes the Welsh preacher Martin Lloyd-Jones, who said that a Christian's job "is not to reform society but to preach the gospel". Farron added: "What he meant by that is that you don't create Christian institutions and impose them on people who are not Christian. That is illiberal and it's counter-productive. But if you can convince people of the gospel, people will change their lives... Edmund Burke once said, 'all the laws against the godless have not saved one single soul' – and so we are wrong if we think our responsibility is legislate to make this a more Christian place."

He doesnt want to impose his views, but he wants to convince people of their validity. This clearly extends well beyond the private sphere.

The above quotes are from an article that suggests that Farron might be able to quash the notion that Christianity and Liberalism dont mix. Not that easy in practice is it? For bloody good reason!

Could Tim Farron finally quash the myth that Christianity and Liberalism don't mix? | Christian News on Christian Today

 

[butchersapron]

ugh

who knew?