Why the lib-dems are shit

[tim]

His views, what he personally thinks, is irrelevant.

Do you want all of your civil rights to be dependent on authority figures agreeing they like approve?

I don't.

Well I wouldn't be too impressed if I discovered that Corbyn paraded round his bathroom in white robes and a hood.

And I don't think the Tories would have much truck with Theresa if sit was discovered that she had secretly posted on here under the name of Ernestolynch, although she might have got away with being Drjazzz

 

[bi0boy]

This has literally 100% fuck all to do with Tim's religious views, and everything to do with the fact that Vince Cable and Ed Davey are now back in the HoC, and Nick Clegg's out the way. Ed Davey, of course, was an Orange Booker. Tim Farron was on the left of the party.

Jo Swinson must be up for it too...

 

[butchersapron]

Once again:

Why are his personal beliefs relevant?

 

[DotCommunist]

as someone really really raised in the faith I know they actually mean th 'love the sinner hate the sin' line. Which makes them homophobes really. In the end. By word and deed. Say, Edie, how would you feel if it was a muslim man leading a party and saying that his views on homosexuality would not conflict with his party policy?

 

[Gerry1time]

Jo Swinson must be up for it too...

I wasn't necessarily saying they'd be running for leader, but the 'delegation' sent to Tim Farron today must have included those two.

 

[Edie]

as someone really really raised in the faith I know they actually mean th 'love the sinner hate the sin' line. Which makes them homophobes really. In the end. By word and deed. Say, Edie, how would you feel if it was a muslim man leading a party and saying that his views on homosexuality would not conflict with his party policy?

How would YOU feel?

 

[Edie]

Asked about whether homosexuality was a sin, initially, his only reply was 'we're all sinners' and now a resignation which specifically cites his Christian beliefs and the problems with reconciling them to his position politically as reasons for quitting.

The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader.

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There are Christians in politics who take the view that they should impose the tenets of faith on society, but I have not taken that approach because I disagree with it - it’s not liberal and it is counterproductive when it comes to advancing the gospel.

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To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.

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It's not hard to see the over arching narrative there and if he considers homosexuality a sin then I'd say that's bigotry, to judge people as morally faulted or failed for their sexual orientation.

We are all morally faulted. Unless you are perfect? Jesus perhaps?

 

[YouSir]

We are all morally faulted. Unless you are perfect? Jesus perhaps?

That's all you read from everything he's said then?

And yes, I'm often a terrible person, never yet assumed that gay people deserve to burn in Hell's fiery pits for their sinful ways though, so got that going for me.

 

[billy_bob]

If a homophobic tree falls in the woods...

 

[DotCommunist]

How would YOU feel?

I'd call them a liar because real faith and belief has inevitable ideological bleed-through into what is supposed to be secular decision making

 

[butchersapron]

Thread's doing the job title after all these years...

 

[YouSir]

Thread's doing the job title after all these years...

?

 

[elbows]

Possibly missing from this thread so far (unless I missed it, if so apologies) is the fact Brain Paddick quit his role as Lib Dem home affairs spokesman earlier today and said Farrons views on homosexuality were the reason.

 

[bi0boy]

That is not evidence. Try again. Real hard, voting or policy evidence of bigotry.

This poor guy didn't exhibit any real hard evidence of bigotry 'Sexist' Polish MEP suspended and fined for saying women should be paid less 'because they are smaller, weaker and less intelligent'

 

[butchersapron]

?

Making edie/lib-dems look like shit.

 

[YouSir]

Making edie/lib-dems look like shit.

Ah right.

 

[billy_bob]

Possibly missing from this thread so far (unless I missed it, if so apologies) is the fact Brain Paddick quit his role as Lib Dem home affairs spokesman earlier today and said Farrons views on homosexuality were the reason.

It's up the thread a bit. Remarkably coincidental timing. They must have had an interesting party meeting earlier (for once...)

 

[Edie]

The fact is, Tim has voted consistently for LGBT+ rights. Despite any personal views (which are no one else's business).

That shows great moral principle. To defend the rights of people who think, and live, and love differently despite your own personal opinion.

And the separation of religion and state.

But that is not enough is it. You lefties have to insist that everyone, of all religions and none, must THINK the same as you.

 

[tim]

If a homophobic tree falls in the woods...

It was probably trying to take out some deviants. "Save the 100 acre wood from sodomy".

 

[elbows]

It's up the thread a bit. Remarkably coincidental timing. They must have had an interesting party meeting earlier (for once...)

Cheers, found it now.

 

[Edie]

I'd rather my rights not be dependent on the whims and approval of politicians.

 

[tim]

The fact is, Tim has voted consistently for LGBT+ rights. Despite any personal views (which are no one else's business).

That shows great moral principle. To defend the rights of people who think, and live, and love differently despite your own personal opinion.

And the separation of religion and state.

But that is not enough is it. You lefties have to insist that everyone, of all religions and none, must THINK the same as you.

I'm a Quaker And I think my beliefs would preclude me from a leadership position in any of the mainstream parties

 

[Edie]

This poor guy didn't exhibit any real hard evidence of bigotry 'Sexist' Polish MEP suspended and fined for saying women should be paid less 'because they are smaller, weaker and less intelligent'

Relevance to Farron?

 

[bi0boy]

Relevance to Farron?

Personal beliefs.

 

[Edie]

Personal beliefs.

You haven't grasped the point you muppet

 

[tim]

Relevance to Farron?

Anyway it was his lack of charisma and general crapness, rather than his beliefs that did for him. When he was elected there was no credible alternative leader and they needed someone to keep the seat warm. Now the big beasts are back he can return to pious obscurity

 

[Edie]

Anyway it was his lack of charisma and general crapness, rather than his beliefs that did for him. When he was elected there was no credible alternative leader and they needed someone to keep the seat warm. Now the big beasts are back he can return to pious obscurity

Be as it may.

 

[DotCommunist]

And the separation of religion and state.

but we don't have that. Even if we did its nonsense. Either you believe or you don't, farron stepped down. If anything I'd say (if his reasons stated are true to himself and not just convenience) that he did the right thing in line with his faith.

 

[YouSir]

The fact is, Tim has voted consistently for LGBT+ rights. Despite any personal views (which are no one else's business).

That shows great moral principle. To defend the rights of people who think, and live, and love differently despite your own personal opinion.

And the separation of religion and state.

But that is not enough is it. You lefties have to insist that everyone, of all religions and none, must THINK the same as you.

To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.

Even your Tim seems to think his personal views matter though. Unless he's talking shit in his resignation statement of course and it was just a political resignation because other Lib Dems drove him out. In which case he's a liar, which is also a sin oddly enough.

 

[Edie]

but we don't have that. Even if we did its nonsense. Either you believe or you don't, farron stepped down. If anything I'd say (if his reasons stated are true to himself and not just convenience) that he did the right thing in line with his faith.

I would agree. He did the right thing for the party. But it makes me angry that he had to.