Why the lib-dems are shit

[Dogsauce]

All clear for Sir Vince of Cable to swagger in and take over. Someone with gravity to split the anti-Tory vote.

 

[redsquirrel]

Twats statement in full

“This last two years have seen the Liberal Democrats recover since the devastation of the 2015 election.

That recovery was never inevitable but we have seen the doubling of our party membership, growth in council elections, our first parliamentary by-election win for more than a decade, and most recently our growth at the 2017 general election.

Most importantly the Liberal Democrats have established ourselves with a significant and distinctive role - passionate about Europe, free trade, strong well-funded public services underpinned by a growing market economy.

No one else occupies that space. Against all the odds, the Liberal Democrats matter again.

We can be proud of the progress we have made together, although there is much more we need to do.

From the very first day of my leadership, I have faced questions about my Christian faith. I’ve tried to answer with grace and patience. Sometimes my answers could have been wiser.

At the start of this election, I found myself under scrutiny again - asked about matters to do with my faith. I felt guilty that this focus was distracting attention from our campaign, obscuring our message.

Journalists have every right to ask what they see fit. The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader.

A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment.

To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.

I’m a liberal to my finger tips, and that liberalism means that I am passionate about defending the rights and liberties of people who believe different things to me.

There are Christians in politics who take the view that they should impose the tenets of faith on society, but I have not taken that approach because I disagree with it - it’s not liberal and it is counterproductive when it comes to advancing the gospel.

Even so, I seem to be the subject of suspicion because of what I believe and who my faith is in.

In which case we are kidding ourselves if we think we yet live in a tolerant, liberal society.

That’s why I have chosen to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats.

I intend to serve until the parliamentary recess begins next month, at which point there will be a leadership election according to the party’s rules.

This is a historic time in British politics. What happens in the next months and years will shape our country for generations.


My successor will inherit a party that is needed now more than ever before. Our future as an open, tolerant and united country is at stake.

The cause of British liberalism has never been needed more. People who will fight for a Britain that is confident, generous and compassionate are needed more than ever before.

That is the challenge our party and my successor faces and the opportunity I am certain that they will rise to.

I want to say one more thing: I joined our party when I was 16, it is in my blood, I love our history, our people, I thoroughly love my party.

Imagine how proud I am to lead this party. And then imagine what would lead me to voluntarily relinquish that honour.

In the words of Isaac Watts it would have to be something ‘so amazing, so divine, (it) demands my heart, my life, my all.”

 

[Edie]

He reason is incredible. How is being a Christian incompatible with being leader of the lib dems?

Did you not see what the press did to him over the GE campaign?

 

[belboid]

Did you not see what the press did to him over the GE campaign?

They asked him questions about his personal beliefs, and how they tallied with what was presented in the LibScum manifesto - exactly as they asked Jeremy Corbyn. What's wrong with that?

 

[Combustible]

He reason is incredible. How is being a Christian incompatible with being leader of the lib dems?

Maybe he's quitting to join the DUP.

 

[Edie]

Why are his personal beliefs relevant?

 

[Edie]

He wasn't just asked how he felt about homosexuality, he was specifically pressed, repeatedly, about how he felt about the act of gay sex.

I mean wtf. Stfu. I'm surprised no one actually said, and rimming Tim? What are your personal views on that?

 

[JTG]

Why are his personal beliefs relevant?

He's an MP and leader of his party, seeking to legislate on matters that affect us all

 

[Edie]

He's an MP and leader of his party, seeking to legislate on matters that affect us all

So?

 

[moochedit]

All clear for Sir Vince of Cable to swagger in and take over.

I wonder if thats the real reason?

edit - here are their new mp's. what do we know about this lot? (apart from them all being cunts that is obviously!)

Tom Brake, Carshalton
Vince Cable, Twickenham
Alistair Carmichael, Orkney and Shetland
Edward Davey, Kingston and Surbiton
Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale
Wera Hobhouse, Bath
Christine Jardine, Edinburgh West
Norman Lamb, North Norfolk
Stephen Lloyd, Eastbourne
Layla Moran, Oxford West and Abingdon
Jamie Stone, Caithness
Jo Swinson, Dunbartonshire East

 

[Santino]

Another scalp for Corbyn.

 

[hash tag]

What a time to make such an announcement, that's appalling.
His views have no place in modern society. Many have ended up in court for using those beliefs to discriminate against others.

 

[YouSir]

So?

So if he feels that some people are morally wrong sinners that might just shade his actions towards them and support for legislation that effects them.

That said, he's a Lib Dem, so whatever he claims to believe doesn't really count for much anyway, gayness may be the Devil's work to him but if he got to feel important he'd probably stand at the front of gay pride in rainbow patterned boxers.

 

[JTG]

So?

Well, if somebody is voting on laws that affect me, I'm kind of concerned if their views are such that they categorise perfectly normal folk as "sinners"

 

[bi0boy]

He wasn't just asked how he felt about homosexuality, he was specifically pressed, repeatedly, about how he felt about the act of gay sex.

I mean wtf. Stfu. I'm surprised no one actually said, and rimming Tim? What are your personal views on that?

Neither homosexuality nor rimming are mentioned in the bible, but gay sex supposedly is. Entirely appropriate to question him on this, especially as he was being so evasive.

 

[Edie]

Just fail to see what relevance his personal views are. His voting record is what counts.

Hark at you all, desperate to insist that everyone *thinks* the same as you. Bunch of fuckin authoritarians.

 

[Edie]

Neither homosexuality nor rimming are mentioned in the bible, but gay sex supposedly is. Entirely appropriate to question him on this, especially as he was being so evasive.

He's being evasive because it's literally NONE your business you creepy nosey parker

 

[YouSir]

Just fail to see what relevance his personal views are. His voting record is what counts.

Hark at you all, desperate to insist that everyone *thinks* the same as you. Bunch of fuckin authoritarians.

Aye, terrible thing to expect politicians not to be politically motivated bigots. What a shower of cunts we are.

 

[bi0boy]

He's being evasive because it's literally NONE your business you creepy nosey parker

Asking a politician what their views are. How outrageous.

 

[Edie]

Aye, terrible thing to expect politicians not to be politically motivated bigots. What a shower of cunts we are.

What evidence do you have of his bigotry? Post it.

 

[Edie]

Asking a politician what their views are. How outrageous.

Completely missed the point

 

[tim]

Just fail to see what relevance his personal views are. His voting record is what counts.

Hark at you all, desperate to insist that everyone *thinks* the same as you. Bunch of fuckin authoritarians.

Because he was leading the Liberal party and such views would barely seem to be in keeping with the values that party claims to espouse. As has been said in the DUP, his attitudes would ruffle fewer feathers.

 

[tim]

What evidence do you have of his bigotry? Post it.

The fact that he was evasive on the issue and has now resigned because of the incompatibility of his position and his faith

 

[Edie]

His views, what he personally thinks, is irrelevant.

Do you want all of your civil rights to be dependent on authority figures agreeing they like approve?

I don't.

 

[Edie]

The fact that he was evasive on the issue and has now resigned because of the incompatibility of his position and his faith

That is not evidence. Try again. Real hard, voting or policy evidence of bigotry.

 

[tim]

Completely missed the point

To be fair to him, he doesn't seem to have taken out contracts on any ex-lovers or had any of their pooches stiffed

 

[Pickman's model]

The fact that he was evasive on the issue and has now resigned because of the incompatibility of his position and his faith

And good riddance

 

[JTG]

Just fail to see what relevance his personal views are. His voting record is what counts.

Hark at you all, desperate to insist that everyone *thinks* the same as you. Bunch of fuckin authoritarians.

So his personal views may not motivate the way he votes? Of course it's a concern to me. I don't want racists in Parliament either.

 

[Gerry1time]

This has literally 100% fuck all to do with Tim's religious views, and everything to do with the fact that Vince Cable and Ed Davey are now back in the HoC, and Nick Clegg's out the way. Ed Davey, of course, was an Orange Booker. Tim Farron was on the left of the party.

 

[YouSir]

What evidence do you have of his bigotry? Post it.

Asked about whether homosexuality was a sin, initially, his only reply was 'we're all sinners' and now a resignation which specifically cites his Christian beliefs and the problems with reconciling them to his position politically as reasons for quitting.

The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader.

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There are Christians in politics who take the view that they should impose the tenets of faith on society, but I have not taken that approach because I disagree with it - it’s not liberal and it is counterproductive when it comes to advancing the gospel.

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To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible’s teaching, has felt impossible for me.

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It's not hard to see the over arching narrative there and if he considers homosexuality a sin then I'd say that's bigotry, to judge people as morally faulted or failed for their sexual orientation.