Why the lib-dems are shit
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
as I've posted on the post election thread, I doubt they will with May as leader, but suspect Cable will negotiate for a tory leader that they can work with.
I'm assuming that Cable will end up as leader.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Surely fucking not
Who is will patterson anyway? is he just some random off the internet or a journalist or someone high up in the lib dems or tories?
I wouldn't put it past the lib dems to do it again but i can't find any other sources for this.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
it wouldn't surprise me.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Well, at least this time they could say that their voters knew what they were voting for.
I mean, sure, they would have lied and broken their promises about not forming a coalition or making deals.
But on the other hand, at least this time they could say that their voters knew what they were voting for.
I mean, sure, they would have lied and broken their promises about not forming a coalition or making deals.
But on the other hand, at least this time they could say that their voters knew what they were voting for.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
BemusedbyLife
Well-Known Member
What politicians lie ?never wash your mouth out!they would never go back on their word would they?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It's not a promise! It's a pledge.they would never go back on their word would they?
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
homosexuality is considered an identity by Western European cultures - it isn't seen in this light by many other cultures or indeed many previous generations. It's a cultural construction. Now, you might want to say that viewing sexuality as an identity category has advantages (from a rights based perspective for eg.) But this then entails an encounter and dialogue between different (and ostensibly incommensurate) traditions.
As father Jack would say, "that would be an ecumenical matter".
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
My mind legit filled in the blank and made that defecate.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
*oaten winning here*
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
I had forgotten 
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
In 2001 a load of people from Winchester joined the Socialist Alliance after a conference and then left to campaign for Oaten to take the seat from the then Tory MP.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
BemusedbyLife
Well-Known Member
There's only 12 of them so the pool of candidates is shallow to say the least, more of a puddle really. I don't think it's a case of the LibDems are shit rather than just not relevant anymore, I am convinced that a large proportion of their voters pre 2015 were people voting for them to keep someone else out and given that the Tories gained far more from the LibDem collapse in 2015 than Labour did, I would hazard a guess that the bulk of those were Labour supporters voting to keep out the Tories that Tory supporters voting to keep out Labour. Those people are never coming back, what's the point in voting LibDem to keep out the Tories only to help put them in power?
Then there are people liky my Dad, folks that are well off professionals but with a social conscience, wary of voting Labour but too decent to vote Tory.
My Dad voted Labour in 2015 and earlier this month. OK he held his nose while voting Labour but he still did it, his conscience won out over the fact that the Labour manifesto will cost him money if it ever gets implemented.
There are a lot of people like him who feel betrayed who aren't likely to vote for them again any time soon if ever. It will be a generation before the LibDems recover not just another election or two. The SNP have a far more valid claim to be the third force in UK politics.
Then there are people liky my Dad, folks that are well off professionals but with a social conscience, wary of voting Labour but too decent to vote Tory.
My Dad voted Labour in 2015 and earlier this month. OK he held his nose while voting Labour but he still did it, his conscience won out over the fact that the Labour manifesto will cost him money if it ever gets implemented.
There are a lot of people like him who feel betrayed who aren't likely to vote for them again any time soon if ever. It will be a generation before the LibDems recover not just another election or two. The SNP have a far more valid claim to be the third force in UK politics.
I can imagine that if the Tories dropped their veneer of social liberalism in order to shore up their core anti-EU support, then plenty of their voters who imagine themselves to be moderate centrists might turn Lib Dem. Not in any significant numbers, but enough to prop them up and give them a few more seats.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
"A big space"? Is it a cavernous, empty, soulless void, with winds blowing unpredictably in every direction, where you can shout as much as you like but no one can hear a word?
It'll suit them.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Vince 'face like he's laying a' Cable. Truly the big beasts are stirring within the lib dem ranks
How is it an improvement? This clown's biggest legacy is the cut price Royal Mail sell-off (which will be hammered come election time). He's soiled goods.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'd imagine the wily old fox will have promised Swinson that he'll just 'caretake' for 2 years, then bale in time for her to "appeal to the younger demographic".
Maybe he's even pledged to do that!
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Hope they get someone decent!
If I hadn't have done, someone else would have.
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