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DotCommunist said:
cameron is the least convincing at holding a pint. Farage has it down, and the fag. I don't know if thats cos he actually drinks pints or just better acting.
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Farage was once on The Hairy Bikers (I watch it for the Moto Guzzi content, ok) and he was enthusiastically firing the drink into himself in a fairly authentic manner.
 
butchersapron said:
He didn't vote against it at all. He abstained, then loudly and publicly supported the coalition with his votes and voice whilst it launched its murderous attack on the poorest and most vulnerable. To give him his full due.
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You may be right, in which case both wiki and my memory are faulty, and google isn't giving me anything useful. OK, so to rephrase it, he was the only lib dem MP not to have voted in favour of the coalition agreement, and to have publicly argued that this wasn't the best option for them to have taken.

You're right that he's mostly towed the coalition line since, being one of those party loyalist types I think, but I still reckon things would have been significantly different if he'd been in charge rather than clegg in 2010 (and if he'd not had the alcohol problems / had sorted them out). I doubt he'd have gone into coalition with the tories if he'd been in charge, is what I'm getting at.
 
chilango said:
Newark by-election.

6th place.

2.59%.

:thumbs:
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"LD Voice's" take on the result...

And then there’s the Lib Dems… It was another dire night, to cap a dire fortnight. We didn’t just lose our deposit, we came sixth. Our vote collapsed. Four years ago, 10,246 Newark voters marked a ‘X’ beside the Lib Dem box. Yesterday, just 1,004 did so. In contrast to the Tories, not a single Lib Dem MP turned up to campaign.
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I kind of get the feeling farage is like one of those jaded businessmen you would meet at departure lounges at airports propping up the bar
 
frogwoman said:
I kind of get the feeling farage is like one of those jaded businessmen you would meet at departure lounges at airports propping up the bar
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Sadly in most airports these types will be in some sort of airline/members lounge rather than in a public bar. :(

You have to go to airport hotel bars the night before their flight to meet jaded businessmen these days.
 
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free spirit said:
You may be right, in which case both wiki and my memory are faulty, and google isn't giving me anything useful. OK, so to rephrase it, he was the only lib dem MP not to have voted in favour of the coalition agreement, and to have publicly argued that this wasn't the best option for them to have taken.

You're right that he's mostly towed the coalition line since, being one of those party loyalist types I think, but I still reckon things would have been significantly different if he'd been in charge rather than clegg in 2010 (and if he'd not had the alcohol problems / had sorted them out). I doubt he'd have gone into coalition with the tories if he'd been in charge, is what I'm getting at.
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I am right.

I don't. He would have.

You thought such was the left-wing weight within the party that even on the day of the coalition agreement being announced you didn't think it would happen - despite all good sense and evidence to the contrary. The idea being that there would be such a violent reaction on the part of members and MPs that it would make it impossible to happen. It didn't happen. They swallowed it all, supported it all. Kennedy plays the same role in lib-dem martyrology as smith does for labour - he would have done things different.
 
butchersapron said:
I am right.

I don't. He would have.

You thought such was the left-wing weight within the party that even on the day of the coalition agreement being announced you didn't think it would happen - despite all good sense and evidence to the contrary. The idea being that there would be such a violent reaction on the part of members and MPs that it would make it impossible to happen. It didn't happen. They swallowed it all, supported it all. Kennedy plays the same role in lib-dem martyrology as smith does for labour - he would have done things different.
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I said they'd be fucking stupid to do that as they'd lose 2/3 of their support, because the majority of their support was left of centre, and I was really hoping they weren't going to throw it all away in the pursuit of the illusion of personal power.

As it turned out, those in charge were fucking stupid power hungry right wing pricks, and the rest of the MPs went along with them, so you were right about that, but they also did almost immediately lose in the region of 1/2 to 2/3 of their support, because the majority of their support had previously been left of centre, as I'd been saying.
 
Support/membership - the argument was their members would not pass the the triple lock process (each block passed it almost dissentless) to allows the coalition agreement to happen and if it was there would be crossing the lines into labour, mass revolt - it didn't happen. The leadership were the people the party had voted into party power - one and the same. Who these people were - leaders and members - had missed a lot of people by. The drop in support wasn't immediate btw. It went long before the membership though.
 
butchersapron said:
Support/membership - the argument was their members would not pass the the triple lock process (each block passed it almost dissentless) to allows the coalition agreement to happen and if it was there would be crossing the lines into labour, mass revolt - it didn't happen. The leadership were the people the party had voted into party power - one and the same. Who these people were - leaders and members - had missed a lot of people by.
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tbf, that was while there was a potential labour offer on the table IIRC, but you're right that I'd not really appreciated how far to the right the leadership, and significant portion of the party had moved, as I'd been pretty peripheral to it all for a long time and really just had my direct recent experience of conversations with a few activists locally, and the MP on the night of the election where he was being pretty uncomplimentary about clegg's leadership and loss of seats at the election.

butchersapron said:
The drop in support wasn't immediate btw. It went long before the membership though.
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it had fallen by almost 50% within 3 months, and well over 50% by the end of the year, which is fairly well within my description of almost immediately, though I suppose it did take a bit longer to fall as far as 2/3 of support being lost.

Membership will always fall slower, as most people will simply not renew their membership at the end of the year rather than actually resigning, but membership had fallen by 25% by 2011, and another 13% the next year.

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Don't think you'll have to worry about the last bit Clegg. I'm sure there's plenty of people willing to pinpoint and highlight your rule in the coalition.

"After disastrous results in local and European elections, and a confidence-sapping sixth place in last week's Newark byelection, the Lib Dem leader will concede that his party has failed to convey clearly enough why it wants to be in power, allowing critics to claim it has lost its soul in government. Clegg will also warn the Conservatives that he will not allow them to rewrite history or "airbrush out our role in this coalition"."

Note the guardian headline of Nick Clegg: we won't join a new coalition at any cost - suggesting that they will not join another coalition full stop when he actually meant they would not join another coalition that cost them.


Nick Clegg: we won't join a new coalition at any cost

http://gu.com/p/3pqq4

Terrible embarrassing piece all round. I expect it to be substantially altered or pulled full stop.
 
lol I thought that was a pisstake, in fact I thought the entire twitter account was a pisstake until I scrolled down to find that all the quotes were taken from a nick clegg speech.

He's now pretty much beyond parody.

"People will vote for us next year not only because of our record of delivery, but also because of our promise of more"
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erm sure they will, that's definitely what I'm hearing on the streets is that people are gagging for more of this shit.
 
brogdale said:
It is some measure of where we're at when the LD scum can present basic educational entitlement as some sort of electoral aspiration. Not enough FFSs in the world.

LibDem scum said:
The Lib Dem manifesto at next year’s general election will include a “parental guarantee” that all children will be taught a core curriculum and by qualified teachers.
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They'll be flocking to the polls because of that. Flocking*!

*Perhaps not quite in the way the LDs expect though :p
 
Two local parties have now held the vote required to start the process of leadership election and voted against Clegg staying. That's Ribble Valley and Notts. They require 75. Looks like they're going to mess this up as well.
 
This is proper lib-dem shit - Lynne Featherstone yesterday put out a press release with the heading: Still liberal – still radical – still the good guys.
 
radical?? :D fuckin what

asked someone i know in the LD's, stood as a cllr last time, how they could go from being a lefty TU rep giving a shit and helping people to being in coalition with tories helping them fuck so many people up
answers were, we had no choice and believing in PR :facepalm:
 
Not new - but not really covered in the thread either - but mentioned as it again highlights lib-dems attitudes to sexual abuse - cover it up:

Kingston Council's new Conservative administration will launch an independent inquiry into disgraced ex-Liberal Democrat leader Derek Osbourne’s years in power, it has been announced.

Osbourne, 60, is serving a two-year prison sentence for downloading and distributing indecent images of children, animals and women being violently and sexually abused.

At the time of his arrest in June last year, he was the public face of the council’s children’s services improvement plan, following the damning 2012 Ofsted inspection.

He was also a vocal supporter of the Rose Theatre, and its youth theatre group.
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The previous Lib Dem administration resisted Tory calls for an inquiry, citing a Met Police investigation which found Osbourne’s crimes were unconnected to his council role.

Coun Davis said: "The police were concerned about aspects of the charges brought against him.

"But what is illegal and what is inappropriate is something the inquiry needs to examine."

Coun Davis said the inquiry would examine Osbourne’s decision-making regarding funding, in particular youth groups, as well as his behaviour toward young people he came into contact with through his various public duties.
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Now, i know damn well what game the tories are playing here - it's pretty transparent - but do we think the lib-dem refusal wasn't equally politically motivated? That they would have endorsed an inquiry if they felt it would help despite damaging themselves? I don't.

edit: Osbourne and the kingston lib-dems were responsible for the latest edition of the lib-dems 'it's a straight fight' nudge nudge wink wink election leaflet aimed at a gay opposition candidate btw
 
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Paul Scriven - once Lib Dem leader of Sheffield City Council. He missed out being MP for Sheffield Central in 2010 by about 100 votes, and since then he's lost the council leadership in 2011 (as Lib Dems dwindled), and ultimately his council seat (came third in his ward after Labour and The Greens) - Anyway, he pops up on twitter now and again and last week he's been touting the 'The lib dems are so fucking brave' line.

Paul Scriven @PaulscrivenThanks to the brave decision by @nick_clegg @LibDems to put country 1st Britain's GDP surpasses pre-recession peak - fb.me/6T84IEHz8

Moses Humberstone @MoHumb:
@Paulscriven @LibDems @nick_clegg So brave.

Paul Scriven @Paulscriven: @MoHumb @LibDems @nick_clegg Yes it was as we knew the road was rocky and a backlash would ensue. Country before party is brave.

Moses Humberstone @MoHumb: Enjoying @Paulscriven trying to paint @nick_clegg & @LibDems as Capt Oates figures. You made the supreme sacrifice, boys. #maybesometime.

Paul Scriven@Paulscriven: @MoHumb @nick_clegg @LibDems Not Certain death, but at least we did the right thing..
 
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