Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think they'd struggle to flood any more than five seats with activists - no chance of fifty eastleighs
Why the lib-dems are shit
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If they replicate anything like Eastleigh on more than about 2 or 3 seats at most, I'd be very surprised indeed. Highly possible they wouldn't be able to replicate it at all (not even in Easteigh itself?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
UKIP wont do anything like as well in a General as they do in by-election either tho. And, absurdly, come the final day, in the Tory-Lib seats there'll still be a fair few who'll do anything to stop the 'out and out' Tory. So they will improve a little bit. Wont be worth more than 3% for them tho, tops.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It is quite amazing just how stupid/deluded the members are. I mean you'd think some of them would be smart enough to realise that they are going to be killed in 2015 and that they need to do something pretty drastic just to make sure they keep enough MPs/councillors/members that they can at least attempt to re-build. But they don't appear to have either the intelligence or even enough self interest to recognise this.
They're not going to be wiped out though even the worse case scenarios only show them going back down to immeadiately pre Ashdown levels of MP, although the councillor base is and will still take a serious hammering and that is where the real damage is being done, they have been through dark days before and I wouldn't underestimate their ability to adapt and survive like cockroches
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
But pre-Ashdown they hadn't lost their Highlands base to the SNP, they are already the 4th party in Scotland, Wales and London.
They will keep some MPs in the South-East but they going to be wiped out in the North and they are losing councillors hand over fist. The fact that most of the party can't see that this isn't a sudden blip which is likely to be reversed in 2020 is just mad.
I think there is a good chance that their time as the third party in British politics is coming to an end.
Their rise came in large part from the fact that they were the only viable option for many people who didn't want to vote Labour or Tory. Not only is that no longer, but as the poll on the previous page shows that sort of 'not the big two' vote has been significantly damaged.
They will keep some MPs in the South-East but they going to be wiped out in the North and they are losing councillors hand over fist. The fact that most of the party can't see that this isn't a sudden blip which is likely to be reversed in 2020 is just mad.
I think there is a good chance that their time as the third party in British politics is coming to an end.
Their rise came in large part from the fact that they were the only viable option for many people who didn't want to vote Labour or Tory. Not only is that no longer, but as the poll on the previous page shows that sort of 'not the big two' vote has been significantly damaged.
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King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Excellent smackdown of Clegg and the Sheffield Liberal Democrats by the Chief Exec of Sheffield City Council in this letter which has gone public.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Beaten by BNP and Greens in St Helens last night:
ST HELENS Billinge and Seneley Green
Dennis MCDONNELL (Labour Party Candidate) 936 (50.7%)
Laurence ALLEN (UK Independence Party) 442 (24.0%)
John CUNLIFFE (The Conservative Party Candidate) 248 (13.4%)
Sue RAHMAN (The Green Party Candidate) 94 (5.1%)
Alan BRINDLE (British National Party) 73 (4.0%)
Noreen KNOWLES (Liberal Democrat) 52 (2.8%)
ST HELENS Billinge and Seneley Green
Dennis MCDONNELL (Labour Party Candidate) 936 (50.7%)
Laurence ALLEN (UK Independence Party) 442 (24.0%)
John CUNLIFFE (The Conservative Party Candidate) 248 (13.4%)
Sue RAHMAN (The Green Party Candidate) 94 (5.1%)
Alan BRINDLE (British National Party) 73 (4.0%)
Noreen KNOWLES (Liberal Democrat) 52 (2.8%)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Finally, after coming behind the greens, the bnp and independents for successive weeks, the lib dems more manage to get beaten by tusc in not one but two seats. One in Glasgow and one in Cardiff.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Have you got the figs for that butchers?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I have in two secs after I've give the cat a tablet.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
LAB HOLD Glasgow Shettleston
Lab 2025
SNP 1086
Con 225
UkIP 129
TUSC 68
LD 53
No Bedroon Tax 50
GRN 41
Soc 35
Christian 34
Britannica
LAB HOLD Cardiff Riverside
Lab 1120
Plaid 773
Con 107
UKIP 97
TUSC 70
LD 58
Lab 2025
SNP 1086
Con 225
UkIP 129
TUSC 68
LD 53
No Bedroon Tax 50
GRN 41
Soc 35
Christian 34
Britannica
LAB HOLD Cardiff Riverside
Lab 1120
Plaid 773
Con 107
UKIP 97
TUSC 70
LD 58
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What's Britannica and did it actually get 0 votes??
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No idea and 31 votes.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
bunch of bigots (I'm sure you'll be surprised to learn). Against mass immigration, for offensive behaviour at football matches
http://britannicaparty.blogspot.co.uk/
Cheers, they look lovely.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
Cheers butchersapron - Very enjoyable.
actually not all that surprised by this. The Lib Dems support in Labour areas like Glasgow and Cardiff will have partly come from disaffected/protest voting ex-Labour people, turned away by the war and tuition fees and stuff. It should really be no surprise that a handful of those voters would switch to voting TUSC - although with these two places there's also the fact there's viable left-ish nationalist parties, no doubt they've taken a big share of the ex-Lib Dem voters too. Amongst those ex-LD voters who won't vote Labour there's a range of possibilities (UKIP, TUSC, Green, SNP/Plaid...) for them to vote for instead of the LIb Dem.
The share of the vote is too low to really read deeply into anyway, looking at these results on this thread i'd say the Lib Dems are in deep trouble, Labour are winning everywhere they ought to, UKIP's vote isn't just the polls it's real and the "others" section of fringe parties will keep getting higher and higher.
Given the numbers are so small there is no evidence of any Libdem votes passing to TUSC on the basis of these two results of course.
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Of course, and out of the potential "others" I think they're way behind UKIP or the Greens as a potential new home for ex LD voters, even though they have the sort of left-of-Labour policies Lib Dems used to campaign on in Labour areas. But I wouldn't be surprised to see those fringe protest vote parties collectively picking up a much higher share of the vote, and TUSC might even marginally benefit from that.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Corker this one:
Locked up for EIGHT hours for telling Nelson Mandela joke
And this from the party that only three years ago made an explicit manifesto commitment to introduce apartheid style pass laws in this country.
Locked up for EIGHT hours for telling Nelson Mandela joke
And this from the party that only three years ago made an explicit manifesto commitment to introduce apartheid style pass laws in this country.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kill, or at least starve - the old - they are useless eaters says very rich man who lived a taxpayer subsidised life first in parliament then in prison.
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they nearly came elenth.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
...out of 10.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
I am still struggling to think of any response to this other than "fuck off and die, cunt" which is probably against the CIF house rules.
(for clarity, i mean huhne, not ba)
had a look at their website. the two shown in photographs are ex-BNP, one was top of the Scottish list at the last Euros and was leading their attempts to hold a stall in Glasgow city centre (they were sent packing).
out of 11.
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