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Why the lib-dems are shit

Lib-dem mayoral candidate had the cheek to turn up at the hardest hit demo yesterday - chased off pretty sharpish but not before claiming to the paper that a local SP member had assaulted him by spitting in front of him - really.
Fucking vermin, I take it he will be annihilated in the election?
 
They tend to only take on the rock solid ones at the moment anyway, tbh. But as this all goes ahead, members would be far less accepting of that because they won't have (from next year) a way of resolving disputes via the ET without paying a deposit. Not everyone can get together a few hundred quid to make a claim which then gets topped up to £1200 approx if it goes to full hearing - and the prospect of losing that sizeable amount of cash if they lose - which often happens if they are a litigant in person. Ironically, apart from the deterrence factor it won't help employers either because most cases are settled before the full hearing which means that any settlement figure would need to be increased by the deposit amount.

David Renton (who is probably one of the best to read if you want an employee focused viewpoint) has updated his blog but I notice that he hasn't dealt with the deposit system in today's post, nor how it will impact on the unions. That's probably going to be something he'll do at length at some point though.

Link: http://www.struckout.co.uk/

Edit: sorry I didn't answer your question properly. No, I can't envisage the unions paying the deposits, even of those that they do take on. They couldn't afford it.


Incidentally, a while later Renton did actually cover my above point on this (Socialist Review Oct 2012 and on his blog):

Not in the Bill, but providing the context to it, is the government’s plan to introduce from summer 2013 hearing and issuing fees in the Tribunal ranging from £400 in unlawful deduction of wages cases, £1200 in unfair dismissal and £1600 in discrimination claims. Workers will pay the fees; employers will pay nothing. These fees represent roughly 25% of a claimant’s likely award, in theory they could be claimed back on winning the claim, save that Tribunal awards are poorly enforced and only around 40% of employers pay Tribunal awards in full.

Fees are also a threat to unions. Around 2% of employees are dismissed in any year. If you take a union like the RMT with around 75,000 members, that’s 1,500 people. If each was to bring an unfair dismissal claim, with the union’s backing, that would require the union to pay £1.8 million a year, merely to get the same limited access to Tribunals that workers have now. This is equivalent to around 25% of the union’s entire national budget. No union could cover the “hit” that fees will represent without to some extent cutting back on the number of cases they fund.

The introduction of fees is bitterly unpopular with lawyers and judges. A serious union campaign against fees would have a real chance of success, but the details of fees has been in the public domain for 4 months now and there are far too few signs of one starting any time soon.

Finally, while a successful strike may stop a dismissal, barely one in 500 successful unfair dismissal claims ends in an order reinstating a claimant. Even while we campaign against the Coalition’s attacks, there is an argument for socialists to win as to what are the most effective means in fighting for workplace justice.

What I don't understand is why there still seems to be no action from the TUs, or have I missed it?
 
May 2010:
Smug lib-dem face, coat and cafe

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November 2012:

“I hope that these voices – whether they be socialists, anarchists, agitators, Chartists, suffragists, Lollards or Levellers – serve as a reminder that much of what we feel entitled to today, much of what we accept as civilised or decent, began as treason.

“Was fought for by men and women who weren’t endowed with any political power, who were hanged for it, transported, tortured or imprisoned until eventually their ideas were adapted to, adopted and handed down to us as basic rights.

“These freedoms are now in our care. And unless we act on them and continue to fight for them, they will be lost more easily than they were won”.
 
Seen a couple of people on twitter saying that more people spoiled their ballot papers than voted lib dem (e2a in coventry) :D

Can't find a breakdown of the vote to verify that though.
 
Northants Lib Dems in Corby by election demanded limited recount, as they were within 9 votes of getting their deposit back.

Recount occurred, they ended up 14 votes away from it and lost their deposit. Bahaha.
 
Northants Lib Dems in Corby by election demanded limited recount, as they were within 9 votes of getting their deposit back.

Recount occurred, they ended up 14 votes away from it and lost their deposit. Bahaha.
If they can't keep their local party together for the want of 500 quid they are in real on the ground trouble.
 
I get the feeling their 'war chest' for the next election won't amount to very much - who the fuck is going to fund them?
I wonder how many candidates they are going to be able to field.
They'll be severely lacking in foot soldiers as well.

Death Spiral.
 
DORSET
(First Count)
Martyn Underhill (Ind) 43,425 (45.16%)
Nick King (C) 31,165 (32.41%)
Rachel Rogers (Lab) 11,596 (12.06%)
Andy Canning (LD) 9,963 (10.36%)
Screw lost deposits in Corby. 4th in Dorset with 10% is the big story, the whig dems are not able to muster a challenge in their home turf.
 
Screw lost deposits in Corby. 4th in Dorset with 10% is the big story, the whig dems are not able to muster a challenge in their home turf.

Independent won though.. not that I've looked but there were quite a few lib dems running as independents. Do you know the background of the winner?
 
CPS statement on the Smith file - given liberals and labour (he was a labour Councillor during part of the period in which the child abuse took place) were whispering or worse, dismissing it (Liberal leader David Steel in response to PE publishing the allegations: "not a very friendly gesture, publishing that, all he seems to have done is spanked a few bare bottoms.") about it decades ago, who of the lib-dem big-wigs in that and the following period knew?
 
I get the feeling their 'war chest' for the next election won't amount to very much - who the fuck is going to fund them?
I wonder how many candidates they are going to be able to field.
They'll be severely lacking in foot soldiers as well.

Death Spiral.
Losing people on the ground will hurt them most.And lack of people willing to stand at elections eg Liam Preston who we all remember
 
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